Klin Kava

[luciddreamer]

Does anybody know if you can still import it http://klinkava.com/Products/Kava/Instant_Kava.html.

I know it's supposed to be illegal but it doesn't say anything on the site about not importing to Australia, is it an Aussie based site?

Or does anybody know an Aussie based website to get Kava from?

I'm at my wits end, if I get plants I'll have to wait at least a few years to get any significant roots, so I need something in the mean time.

I'm sick of taking Xanax.

Thanks.

Lucid

[ref1ect1ons]

[admin: Please note that the advice given in this post is largely wrong. Please see post #20 for accurate legal information]

You can buy kava powder once a day capsules at health food shops, you know the ones with vitamins.

I am not sure, but kava is not illegal. Pls double check, however here are the import conditions should you decide to import:

http://www.aqis.gov.au/icon32/asp/ex_QueryResults.asp?Commodity=piper&Area=All+Countries&EndUse=All+End+Uses&QueryType=Search

Second and best way; visit your local Happy High Herbs store, they have small and large amounts for a very reasonable price when you consider how much Thompsons once-a-day kava tablets cost.

Thompsons once a day: $30 for 30 capsules

HHH $60 for a large baggie which is pure powdered substance, no filler which could fill many caps. Not sure how many grams exactly.

At HHH you often have to ask for things at the counter, because kava is never on display cuz it cost $60.

For sleep and depression I find small amounts of rue, blue lotus, heimia, catnip and HHH night tea to help alot. More than some anti depressants though i do miss mirtazon sometimes. Maybe ask ur doc for mirtazon, it always gives me the MOST INTENSE lucid dreams ever and is less heavy than xanax or amitytriptaline. Man I could not even wake up on these things, yet mirtazon was light as and did a great job.

Hope this helps, try looking into these things further if you want.

[mescalito]

DO NOT TAKE KAVA IF YOU ARE ON XANAX!!!

Lucidreamer,I don't know whether you are taking benzo's(xanax) regularly but "I'm sick of taking Xanax" tells me you might be already addicted and your neuro-soup will be out of whack.

How do you know how strong the effect will be on your GABA receptors?

It could do you some grievous damage man....too risky.

Check through all the benzo threads please mate.

one to start

Assess how much you're on,how often,why? and any other concomitant GABA drugs.

Kava won't help nor will alcohol...even some herbal teas are dangerous when combined with Benzo's.

If you're serious about stopping Xanax do you're research buddy....it's out there and a current hot-topic here!

If you're sick of taking Xanax, then you are hooked and need to withdraw correctly.

Just lookin' out for ya mate....if Kava could have helped myself and others then we'd be free already and Kava sales would be through the roof

Stay safe.

Edited February 11, 2010 by mescalito

[ref1ect1ons]

woah, life saver mescalito.

[mescalito]

For sleep and depression I find small amounts of rue, blue lotus, heimia, catnip and HHH night tea to help alot. More than some anti depressants though i do miss mirtazon sometimes. Maybe ask ur doc for mirtazon, it always gives me the MOST INTENSE lucid dreams ever and is less heavy than xanax or amitytriptaline. Man I could not even wake up on these things, yet mirtazon was light as and did a great job.

Hope this helps, try looking into these things further if you want.

 

@Reflections Xanax and Amitriptilyne are different animals entirely!

Xanax is a GABA (Anxiolitic)drug and Endep is an Tricyclic Antidepressant.

Grape-fruit is contraindacated with Amitriptyline.

Edited February 11, 2010 by mescalito

[ref1ect1ons]

I agree I didnt know.

I will edit my post if you want but it is easier to say: Luciddreamer listen to mescalito and not me.

I could have caused probs, but ld is also responsible for what he researches and consumes.

I never said to take kava cause I was unaware of the interaction.

Edited February 11, 2010 by ref1ect1ons

[mescalito]

I agree I didnt know.

I will edit my post if you want but it is easier to say: Luciddreamer listen to mescalito and not me.

I could have caused probs, but ld is also responsible for what he researches and consumes.

I never said to take kava cause I was unaware of the interaction.

 

Understood,I just didn't want to see ld (or anyone) come unstuck and mate it's not your fault for giving someone directions as to what they were inquiring about.

No probs at all.

I'm sick to death of Benzo's as you can tell too ,thus my prompt response and knowledge of the crap stuff as I'm withdrawing from it right now!

Mirtazon also need to be withdrawn from and can have a lot of pretty bad side-effects,both whilst on them and getting off them.

So now the knowledge-base expands and our lives are safer.

[luciddreamer]

Hm I didn't know HH sold it, thanks heaps ref1ect1ons, someone else also sent me a link to an online site, so I'll compare both prices.

It's so expensive now that it's illegal to import.

I got those Kava Thompson's tablets once lol, IMO complete waste of time and money.

I'm never trying anti-depressants again though, way too many bad experiences, but thanks anyway.

I've also bought some blue lotus and syrian rue seeds which are germinating as I type, but that's also gonna take a while to get anything sufficient.

mescalito - I really appreciate the advice, but by "sick of taking Xanax" I mean that I just don't like it.

I've been on and off it for a while and it is just not working anymore. I am very aware of the huge addiction potential with benzo's.

This is why I plan to stop taking them and start with Kava instead.

Correct me if I'm wrong please, but this is my reasoning:

Kava is not addictive, and only has very mild withdrawal symptoms, it lasts longer than benzos, and also doesn't appear to have as much of a tolerance potential as Xanax.

I currently only take 1 mg of Xanax sometimes. The highest I've ever taken that I can remember is 1.5 mg.

So yeah I'm not really addicted in any sense, I just have more of a tolerance than I would like.

So basically I'm not looking for Kava to help withdraw off benzos or anything, and I'm not planning on taking it in combination. I plan to stop taking Xanax the instant I get Kava powder lol

I just think it is the best substitute based on what I have been reading.

I take Xanax for social anxiety which is why I still need something else after I stop taking Xanax.

I'm also practicing meditation etc. but that takes time.

Also does anybody know how much Kava you get off one plant? Say if you grow it for 4 years?

On that link you posted reflections, it says for the kava root powder

Condition C5225

Non-Commercial

1. An Import Permit is not required.

2. A Quarantine Entry is not required.

3. Each consignment must be inspected on arrival to verify that it is free of live insects and other quarantine risk material.

4. If the consignment does not meet the above conditions it will require treatment as detailed in the Commercial section below, re-exportation or destruction.

And the same for the Kava therapeutic products (powder, capsules, tablets, etc)

What is the difference and does this mean I can just import it now, but it just has to get checked by quarantine?

It's strange because I thought you had to get approval to import it for medical conditions. The only reference I can find to that is from 2007 though.

Which said you needed an import license and something else, but I also can't find anywhere to obtain these documents.

Is the ban lifted quietly?

[ref1ect1ons]

if u can buy it in mainstream supermarkets, ...like when was it banned?. Maybe ur state banned it or something.

HH has nice big bags, but the way you wanna use it you would be burning 60 a week, which is less than a good pot habit. so not too bad. If you've only had the thompsons once a day i think you'll find that pure powdered root is good, but kava isnt great. Pot is holy, a 10 for me (i have no interest in any other drugs because it is the 10), blue lotus gets to 5 (variable). kava is prob a 6.

Most ppl really like it tho, back in the day it was soo much cheaper and now that everyine like it, it is at 60. So I guess it is for some.

Okay how about 1 kilo for $500, at http://www.medicinegarden.com.au/catalogue.php?category=DriedHerbs&page=8.

best to buy in bulk, cause you get alot more for your money once you buy over 100g at mg.

Edited February 11, 2010 by ref1ect1ons

[luciddreamer]

Yeah I looked at that, that's insanely expensive. 500 for a kilo.

Really not in my price range atm, I mean if you look here http://klinkava.com/Products/Kava/Instant_Kava.html it's $25 for 100 grams.

I found the forms though, (http://www.health.gov.au/internet/main/publishing.nsf/Content/B28718710120F86DCA25744900092E60/$File/Application%20to%20import%20kava.pdf)

But what on earth does this mean?

a) Is the kava an approved therapeutic product that is currently entered

on the Australian Register of Therapeutic Goods (ARTG)?:

Is the kava to be used in the manufacture of an approved therapeutic

product that is currently entered on the Australian Register of

Therapeutic Goods (ARTG)?

There's so many other things I cannot comprehend.

Sponsor name:

Sponsors TGA Client ID number:

Manufacturer’s TGA Client ID number:

Manufacturer’s TGA licence number:

Could someone help me figure this out. Coz there's overseas websites that sell Kava so much cheaper. And that's really the only thing I can afford.

For example 500 dollars for a kilo would last like how long? probably a few months right?

Oh yeah I agree about the weed thing too, but my lack of a source for high CBD content weed ruins that idea too, I just get way too paranoid on most weed these days.

Edited February 11, 2010 by luciddreamer

[ref1ect1ons]

This is such BS, just to import a harmless herb and you have to fill out tons of paperwork everytime.

This is why our locals are so expensive, because it is insanely difficult to just get it here.

Fuck the government

[mescalito]

mescalito - I really appreciate the advice, but by "sick of taking Xanax" I mean that I just don't like it.

I've been on and off it for a while and it is just not working anymore. I am very aware of the huge addiction potential with benzo's.

This is why I plan to stop taking them and start with Kava instead.

Correct me if I'm wrong please, but this is my reasoning:

Kava is not addictive, and only has very mild withdrawal symptoms, it lasts longer than benzos, and also doesn't appear to have as much of a tolerance potential as Xanax.

I currently only take 1 mg of Xanax sometimes. The highest I've ever taken that I can remember is 1.5 mg.

So yeah I'm not really addicted in any sense, I just have more of a tolerance than I would like.

So basically I'm not looking for Kava to help withdraw off benzos or anything, and I'm not planning on taking it in combination. I plan to stop taking Xanax the instant I get Kava powder lol

I just think it is the best substitute based on what I have been reading.

I take Xanax for social anxiety which is why I still need something else after I stop taking Xanax.

I'm also practicing meditation etc. but that takes time.

 

No worries,I can see you've reached tolerance and a psychological dependence(italics^^) which is a bit of a worry IME, social anxiety sux big time I know,but all part of life.

Personally I wouldn't be taking any kava until you are 3 weeks completely Xanax free and socialising reasonably well (that's just my opinion).

Also the fact you said you sometimes "need" it for social anxiety,well I would be definitely addressing that one first and foremost, as even with social lube's this won't go away and you will still have a psychological underlying reason for this anxiety(and an excuse to satisfy the receptors )

This is curable without any supplements...not easy but certainly achievable.

Then you can really enjoy your Kava!

Best of luck ld

mesc...

[luciddreamer]

This is such BS, just to import a harmless herb and you....

 

I know it's annoying and I can't figure out what the fuck to do!

I was hoping someone would know but evidently not. Does KlinKava.com still ship to Aus? On their site it says they still have a distributor in Brissy, so they must have a license?

No worries,I can see you've reached tolerance an....

 

Yeah, don't worry mate I understand all these things, I've been trying to combat it without drugs for a while now, hence the on and off.

But I really do appreciate your concern. This forum is very friendly I've found

So yeah does anyone know about KlinKava.com? I've e-mailed him but no response.

[mescalito]

I can't wait to get back to taking Kava again.....the whole thing was messed up ages ago and the idiots still don't know what to do with the legalities.

I got pissed off when I had the import form filled,all was good and above board and didn't get a license 'cause I didn't send it off.

Not long after I re-instated..... bloody idiot.

Sorry i can't help you with a source or further info.

Cheers mesc...

[inpsyght]

link

has a specific note regarding shipping to aus

also try any local asian/islander spice shops, they'll probably still have some.

if someone wanted to move to samoa/fiji/vanuatu, you could pay a few tourists returning home to australia to bring in the 2kg per person legal allowance.

[herbologist]

Does anybody know if you can still import it

I know it's supposed to be illegal but it doesn't say anything on the site about not importing to Australia, is it an Aussie based site?

Or does anybody know an Aussie based website to get Kava from?

I'm at my wits end, if I get plants I'll have to wait at least a few years to get any significant roots, so I need something in the mean time.

I'm sick of taking Xanax.

Thanks.

Lucid

 

Wouldn't it be better to email the site owner with questions than post a link to his site on a public forum, therefore incriminating him?

Also if you take time to read the site it says that it is sent to you from within AU

[luciddreamer]

Well I was asking whether it's illegal to get it from that site or not, and apparently it isn't. So no harm done ey?

And also I did e-mail him but I didn't respond, which is why I asked here coz I thought some people would know.

Thanks everyone for your help, I guess I'm going to have to spend shit loads just coz the government wants me to take addictive drugs instead.

EDIT: Sorry just checked that link inpsyght, thanks for that mate!

Edited February 13, 2010 by luciddreamer

[klip247]

Well I imported some Vanuatu-Kava from Fiji a while back into Melbourne without any problems, has something changed? I thought it was legal to import with no paper-work hassles...

[SunChaser]

Well I imported some Vanuatu-Kava from Fiji a while back into Melbourne without any problems, has something changed? I thought it was legal to import with no paper-work hassles...

 

People import cocaine into Australia, but that doesn't make it legal.

[Torsten]

Kava laws changed a year or so ago. Most of what has been written in this thread about legality is WRONG! In particular [once again] please ignore any legal advice given by 'reflections' as he is obviously completely oblivious to the legal situation and is making things up as he sees fit without any regard for other people's consequences.

There are several threads discussing the new kava laws so I won't go into detail or even discuss them here any further. Check the relevant threads in the legals section. Even better, maybe get involved in the discussion before the laws are passed so you can do your bit to stop them.

1) Kava is schedule 4 of the federal therapeutics register. This makes it a prescription drug in all states!

2) The only exception to #1 is when Kava is in a REGISTERED preparation on the ARTG [Australian Register of Therapeutic Goods]. There is currently only one such product, which are the very weak Thompson capsules mentioned above. They are suitable for mild anxiolytic therapy. This exemption does not apply to any homemade kava products or to any other commercial products. Only products listed on the ARTG qualify.

3) The importation of kava in the mail is a federal drug offence unless you have a license and a permit. All permit have been suspended unless you can show you are importing for the sole purpose of manufacturing a product that is on the ARTG [note, getting a product on the ARTG costs minimum 5K, but will have to conform to the low potency standards set by the TGA].

4) The importation of kava by carrying it on one's person appears to still be legal. There is a curious contradiction in the law though as technically any such imported kava becomes an illegally possessed prescription medicine. This is obviously currently not enforced, but something to keep in mind for the future [ie you might need a prescription from your doc to make such imports in the future]. This exemption was obviously retained to stop protests from the ethnic groups that hold kava dear and who opposed the laws.

5) Kava is a scheduled drug of abuse in WA and NT.

That said, there is still kava floating around, so if you see it you might want to snap it up.

[Bread Filter]

Totally Natural make a product called sleep more that has Kava in it. I bought a box of them on Wednesday from the Chemist and sent them back to the company on Thursday.

[klip247]

People import cocaine into Australia, but that doesn't make it legal.

 

Your definately right about that one mate, it must have been before the new scheduling as I remember making sure it was legal to import at the time. Things change so rapidly...

[incognito]

ive had no probs getting klininstant at all.

i think kava is a huge grey area. ive neva lost a shipment.

[Drake]

I just got back into some interests, now my life has changed path again. This is the Email I got -

Hi

I can only supply you instant kava at $25/100g (15 drinks. Postage is $10

up to 400g. You only have about 6 hours to put your order in as I'm

heading overseas.

John

Hope this helps.