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I find it a little perplexing that an idividual that partakes in the use of entheogens holds the importance and value of intention as not only insignificant but as a negative aspect of such a practice

I never said that i partake in the use of entheogens. Factually I havent participated in any use of ethnogens for some time. An Elf i know had a very bad HBWR Exp and it swore me away for a long time via empathy not to mention compounding health concerns that are completly unrealistic for somone of my age to be experiancing.

As far as your intent its questionable to use the attitude of sage to defend a argument of elitisim. Its Unilightend to assume that Terms like "Bozo" & "drug swilling idiot" are appropriate refrences to any person. As arent we all created in some rezinance of intelligence, and all in search of something weather spiritual or material that gives us validation of an otherwise unexplained existance. So ultimatley those bozos are simply in search of relief as well from a world they percive to other wise be intollerabull. Relief is not that far removed from enlighten ment. And the natural movement away from a outright and honest ethnogenic comunity, only propagates a continued problem of pepole in search of forward momentum being caught in nets of inacessability of reliable and safe materials.

As well you actually become more exposed to risk and pressure as all it itakes is somone to notice your spiritual Direction and suddenly with a phone call your criminalized. This means that the person can no longer become a wealthy and active member of society and is prodominatly forced to remain in the shadows. Our privacy issues in the states are dwarfed by yours, in other words we can no longer be concerned with a already applied application. We are moving at a much faster rate to a country where there is no shadow so anything that is not legal or does not make money for the system will be disposed of. So if you cant become a wealthy active member of society able to stand up for your self where can we look and who will become a actual base of our comunity, that can clearly be pointed to and said to be a leader and comunity father. Every religion has its elders america is relativly void of that influnce because as soon as any one would stick there head out its promptly removed.

You could argue Sasha but that would be well incongruent with his own attitude, he is more a chemist and clearly set apart from the ethnogenic community. In the states we either need to gain a level of acceptance soon or face the fact that we will always be second class citizens. I personaly like nice things and dont think that using ethnogens shouldnt be a volantary vow of poverty or a vow of complet dispossesion to my personal property.

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I faild to adress the issue of intent as a negative its not a negative its mearly a little more progressed on a issue.

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If it really had anything to do with the plants and not just your personal welfare, you would all want to get these plants out to as much people as possible and create a change in the fabric of society.

Like me?

The US medical cannabis community didn't get there law reform rolling by hiding in the dark and hoping the government doesn't know. They spent many years doing everything they could to make sure 'everyone' knew, especially the government! Use your head people, it's the fact that people are ignorant about these plants that got them made illegal in the first place.

Hell yes! Good point!

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Seriously no offence, but ya all full of shit!

If it really had anything to do with the plants and not just your personal welfare, you would all want to get these plants out to as much people as possible and create a change in the fabric of society. Hiding in the shadows and flipping out if someone dares write acacia and DMT in the same sentence on the net is just a short term win for a very small minority and a long term loss for the whole of society!

I've just got one question. How can anybody respect and treat the Australian etnohbotanical community seriously when they claim to believe these plants can give enlightenment and do so much for society, well at the same time, actively try to hide and keep these plants away from the majority of society?

The US medical cannabis community didn't get there law reform rolling by hiding in the dark and hoping the government doesn't know. They spent many years doing everything they could to make sure 'everyone' knew, especially the government! Use your head people, it's the fact that people are ignorant about these plants that got them made illegal in the first place.

I'll give you some good advice on changings peoples opinions. Start by not telling them their full of shit.

I do not believe that everyone should be growing or using these plants. I beleive that these plants can result in positive (both direct and indirect) outcomes toward the evolution of consiousness. This does not require everyone be dragged kicking and screaming to the forefront. There is room for everyone in society, even anti-authoritariansnewimprovedwinkonclear.gif .

There is no need for me to spread these plants as there are a number of online stores (and folk in the trading thread) doing a great job at providing them already. And if you don't have a green thumb, well there is always the forums to fall back on.

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The green thumb thing is a moot point to justify BBB's existance if i put my mind to it im sure I could succed. The underlying point that these types of outfits are necesary and deserv our support if for no other reason than they may make the spark that kindels the fire of somones passion for ethnogens is a how ever valid. If your refering to me as the anti authoritarian then im far from that I personally like licensing. Could you imagine a Ethno DMV. Now serving number interdimensional Google ploo K. LOL

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There is no need for me to spread these plants as there are a number of online stores (and folk in the trading thread) doing a great job at providing them already.

Hey more the merrier! It's always good to have more people out there propagating and disseminating the entheogenic plants!

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The underlying point that these types of outfits are necesary and deserv our support if for no other reason than they may make the spark that kindels the fire of somones passion for ethnogens is a how ever valid.

I agree with what you are saying but I was under the impression that the BBB catalog list is to be used as a clear reference to future illegal imports into the US. How will you support these outfits if they are outlawed?

This is why we generally don't support them in Australia, because they can not legally exist. Thus the evolution towards propogation.

Good luck with the coming changes. Lets hope they lead to a positive shift.

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Your mistaken the state system is whats at play her Kansas may be limiting this list of plants other states are not. My state already has limitations on sally but alot of the other plants are not regulated and still relativly off the radar. So BBB's has done damage to a very blue collar state with alot of christians sitting in office. Its not a place I would call open minded to begine with. As far as what kind of shift you can expect I wouldnt hope for too much there will always be pure consumers. Our greates motivation for a change will be the slow death the old religions are going through by means of there own hypocricie.

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Thanks for clearing that up. It seems the situation is not as dire as I first thought.

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I just wanted every to know that the charges for Bouncing Bear's Warehouse's owner and businesses have been dropped

but that they're leaving wide open the door for filing new charges based upon their continued investigation.

Local News Story

He'll be able to get many of his products back but the live plant material may have been damaged, killed or destroyed by the impoundment

by the police/ federal agents (very likely). I do not know what they did with the amphibians but

it's likely that he'll have to fight to get those back since they're most likely been handed to the humane society

and or may have been returned to the wild if it was believed to have been wild caught animals.

I'm sure there'll be updates

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