sharxx101 Posted January 21, 2010 arent MBN95 ans super bridge one and the same also known as crazy jane? and the melted wax is bruce if my memory serves me correctly. I am unsure of this, I have posted a pic of the super bridegsii anyone got a pic of MBN95 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PD. Posted January 21, 2010 i sent a pic of a lil one to chiral, tarn is the one to ask but he hasnt been around for awhile. semi monstrose bridge not unlike bruce. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shruman Posted January 21, 2010 (edited) Yeah I'm sure PD is right that MBN95 has also gone under the name super bridgesii & crazy jane. & Also what Rev was calling melted wax for some time turned out to be Bruce. This is the point I was making earlier with the Lance Super Pedro predicament- their are bound to be synonyms, maybe we should have a 'Possibly synonymous with' & a 'AKA' field in the official thread. Nice pics all. Edited January 21, 2010 by shruman Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Chiral Posted January 21, 2010 VS that one u don't have a name for is surely Eileen..? anyone.... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hebrew Posted January 21, 2010 (edited) nah its not eileen man different to eileen. it certainly make one Edited January 21, 2010 by VelvetSiren Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BlackDragon Posted January 21, 2010 Info i posted a while back re Mum & Dad clone M&D clone and Bruce Bruce Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
J Smith Posted January 21, 2010 Info i posted a while back re Mum & Dad clone M&D clone and Bruce Bruce I'd love to see photo's of other clones that are of similar size! Sure beats my tip cuts!! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bℓσωηG Posted January 21, 2010 great! now i have to get a Mum&Dad lol Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BlackDragon Posted January 21, 2010 Ill probably put a heap up for sale soon, keep an eye out in the plant trade/sales forum. (sorry for shameless plug, bit off topic...) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bℓσωηG Posted January 21, 2010 Ill probably put a heap up for sale soon, keep an eye out in the plant trade/sales forum. (sorry for shameless plug, bit off topic...) hehe awesome thanks.....great thread! really enjoying the photos fellas Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PD. Posted January 21, 2010 Yeah I'm sure PD is right that MBN95 has also gone under the name super bridgesii & crazy jane. & Also what Rev was calling melted wax for some time turned out to be Bruce. This is the point I was making earlier with the Lance Super Pedro predicament- their are bound to be synonyms, maybe we should have a 'Possibly synonymous with' & a 'AKA' field in the official thread. Nice pics all. Yeh prolly not a bad idea at all shruman. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BlackDragon Posted January 21, 2010 I still maintain "melted wax" is not bruce. It seems more like Kai. I coined the name "Bruce" from my collection point, and i have never seen any morphing, rib distortion at all, ever. I do have a ten year old Bunnings bridgesii that is very similar to Kai and the melt. Constantly morphing dropping ribs or melting. Nothing like the robust fatness of Bruce. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PD. Posted January 21, 2010 The cuts i got sent labled as bruce have been morphing/dropping/adding ribs, seems someone must have their labels mixed up lol. Im pretty sure my cuts came from SAu, was some time ago tho. I cant recall who said that melted wax was bruce, anyone got an idea? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Chiral Posted January 21, 2010 (edited) Okay I need to know is there any named plants that start with the letter "A" or are simply numbered...trying to put the complete list in alphabetaical order is all and just need those bits of info otherwise it will start with Bruce... err edit that...Bogan would be first I think.. also need pics of "ben" please. Edited January 21, 2010 by Chiral Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bush Turkey Posted January 21, 2010 (edited) wouldnt ben be first? awesome thread! Edited January 21, 2010 by Bush_Turkey Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BlackDragon Posted January 21, 2010 Well i collected Bruce in the Riverlands, and "apparently" Rev had/has the same cut. He called it melt. If you look at the Bruce mother plant, there is no melt whatsoever, on old or regrowth. Its possible he may have driven out that way once but im not sure. Still doesnt explain the melt Vs huge difference in diameter Bruce is by far the fattest of any bridge i have in my collection, with no melt/morphing. More like a big scop in diameter. I must say tho, "competition" and wanting to be "one up" on people can make some weird things happen, if you know what i mean. I do have a limb of Bruce waiting to be cut up, might offer it in chucks soon too. Time do do some cuttin... Hope that clears things up. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PD. Posted January 21, 2010 I thought about it for a bit last nite and im sure i got my cuts of bruce from Strangebrew. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PD. Posted January 21, 2010 Just had a thought.... In the garden i have the "bruce" in all the plants are growing with extreme vigour, psycho0 has been adding and dropping ribs which is uncommon for psycho0 so maybe its something to do with the soil in the garden here? different conditions can cause extreme variations. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sharxx101 Posted January 22, 2010 I have 2 Bruces one I got off you PD and it looks like a normal bridgesii no semi monstrosing yet, the other I got off apoth and that one is fully semi monstrose. It is so hard to ID these clone when they warp and change as they look like totally different plants. Even the most experienced collector cant id some of these clones unless they are named. Some like elieen are easily identified. I have a post in the id thread and I dont think anyne can tell me what the 3 clones in the pic are... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Chiral Posted January 22, 2010 (edited) I reckon dropping ribs and morphing/melting is a bridgesii trait throughout the whole family, it seems to come and go across so many of them I'm thinking it's inherent to the species. anyone got a picture of "ben"...downloading images from SAB in posts.. is a pain now for some reason, they all come down pixelated and you have to download before you open the image other wise it won't let you...I'll try the gallery more instead. Edited January 22, 2010 by Chiral Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shruman Posted January 22, 2010 (edited) Rev on melted wax/Bruce "afaik what i had as metled wax bridge turns out to be bruce when its grown hard it goes monstrose when it gets the good times it goes regular i have a few still and still breeding them up not displaying any monstrosity but all pups from a monstrose section" "well my melted wax clone came from the namer of the bruce clone and he told me straight that it was bruce the dinkum oil maybe a year or 2 after id been going on about this melted wax form he sends me an email saying - its bruce, it does that, but only sometimes my experience was that when it was in nutrient poor contitions or in a pot it did what it did but when i put it in ground with rich compost, it reverted when poor it would grow almost exactly 30cm, then go mosntrose sit a while and then break out and grow another foot, mostrose sit and so on" "my melted wax bridgesii whic i now know is bruce did nothing but monstrose in pot but since it went in a fertile patch of earth its switched to fast fat growth with not an inkling of monstrosity im going to plant out my 4 ribbed clones and see what they do" http://australianethnobotany.com/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=195&p=8448&hilit=+melted+bridgesii#p8448 http://australianethnobotany.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=2844&p=32064&hilit=+melted+bridgesii#p32064 I have a feeling SB may be able to shed some light on this also. Yeah sharxx the more you learn about them generaly the less likely you are to handout ID's espescialy from photos. It takes years of watching all stages of growth in all types of conditions before you can realy start to ID clones. Oh & before about the capitals I meant species not clone name Trichocereus bridgesii, just being picky, while I'm at it are we using Tricho (bridgesii) or Echinopsis (peruviana) Edited January 22, 2010 by shruman Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bℓσωηG Posted January 22, 2010 my recently acquired "bruce" dropped rib in new growth Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BlackDragon Posted January 22, 2010 Ok, Both SB and I collected Bruce from the same location, I dont think SB had named it, after we had a chat re collection point, we realized it was the same. It was then clear that bruce and SB's cut were one in the same. Your spot on PD, i think soil/nutrient or viral infection is probably the cause of the monstrose effects. Although, my biggie is neglected in a pot and hasnt shown any signs, nor has the cut int he ground. Soil composition/viral infection is the only thing i can put it down to. Either way, its a bloody nice, fat, fast bridgesii! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tripsis Posted January 22, 2010 There are some awesome cacti in this thread. Great pics everyone! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Chiral Posted January 22, 2010 Ok, Both SB and I collected Bruce from the same location, I dont think SB had named it, after we had a chat re collection point, we realized it was the same. It was then clear that bruce and SB's cut were one in the same. Your spot on PD, i think soil/nutrient or viral infection is probably the cause of the monstrose effects. Although, my biggie is neglected in a pot and hasnt shown any signs, nor has the cut int he ground. Soil composition/viral infection is the only thing i can put it down to. Either way, its a bloody nice, fat, fast bridgesii! I have 3 bruce plants, I used to think it was the slowest growing bridgesii as 2 of them simply refused to grow from the tip and just spend all their energy on producing basal pups, but those basal pups are extremely vigorous, the 3rd plant has done a lot of morphing and rib dropping on all pups that have come out of a stump cutting. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
