White Powder Gold

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Just getting my posts up so I can receive more B/S LOL!

QUEST FOR THE PHILOSOPHER'S STONE

In the late 1970s an Arizona farmer named David Hudson noticed some very strange materials as he was doing some gold mining on his land. Hudson spent several million dollars over the following decade figuring out how to obtain and work with these strange materials. In 1989 David Hudson was granted patents on these materials and methods for obtaining them. Two of these patents can be found on the World Wide Web at:

 

http://monatomic.earth.com/david-hudson/patent-us-1.html
Hudson's British Patent http://monatomic.earth.com/david-hudson/patent-oz.html
Hudson's Australian Patent

During the early 1990s Hudson toured the United States giving lectures and workshops about what he had found. Transcripts of portions of three of David Hudson's lectures are available on the Web. The most complete of these transcripts is the transcript of his Dallas lecture and workshop. You can find this transcript on the Web at:

http://monatomic.earth.com/david-hudson/1995-02-dallas-toc.html
Hudson's Dallas Lecture and Workshop

The two other Hudson transcripts can be found at:

http://www.cris.com/~Notnorml/alchemy2.html
Hudson's Portland Lecture http://www.eskimo.com/~billb/freenrg/hudson.txt
Hudson's Portland Lecture
http://elaine.teleport.com/~boydroid/gold.htm
Hudson's Virginia Beach Lecture

 

DID HUDSON FIND THE PHILOSOPHER'S STONE?

Since ancient Egyptian times, alchemists have worked in secret to produce something called the Philosopher's Stone, or the Elixir of Life. The materials that Hudson and other researchers have found are believed to be related to the Philosopher's Stone. The materials have been called ORMEs, monoatomic gold, white gold, white powder gold, ORMUS, m-state, AuM, microclusters, and manna. David Hudson calls the materials he found Orbitally Rearranged Monoatomic Elements or ORMEs. He also refers to them as monoatomic elements in a high-spin state.

Since Hudson has patented his process for obtaining and identifying these elements, we would like to suggest that the terms ORMUS and m-state be used when referring to this state of matter.

The ORMUS or m-state materials are thought to be the precious metal elements in a different atomic state. The following elements have been identified in this different state of matter (these elements, with the exception of mercury, are listed in Hudson's patents):

KNOWN ORMUS ELEMENTS Element Atomic Number Cobalt 27 Nickel 28 Copper 29 Ruthenium 44 Rhodium 45 Palladium 46 Silver 47 Osmium 76 Iridium 77 Platinum 78 Gold 79 Mercury 80

All of these m-state elements are abundant in sea water. According to David Hudson's discoveries, these elements in their m-state may be as much as 10,000 times more abundant than their metallic counterparts. There also may be other elements which occur naturally in the m-state.

Various researchers, working independently, have identified these materials in this different state of matter. They have arrived at many of the same observations.

These m-state elements have been observed to exhibit superconductivity, superfluidity, Josephson tunneling and magnetic levitation. It looks like these are an entirely new class of materials.

These m-state elements are also present in many biological systems. They may enhance energy flow in the microtubules inside every living cell.

It appears that this state of certain of these elements has been known throughout history. Several of the procedures for extracting or making ORMUS have been adapted from ancient alchemical texts. We believe that the Philosopher's Stone and the Biblical manna are both variations on this state of matter.

Some recommended alchemical texts related to the Philosopher's Stone are "Sacred Science" by R.A. Schwaller De Lubicz and "Le Mystere des Cathedrales" by Fulcanelli, available from Amazon.com. Another source is "Occult Chemistry" by Leadbeater and Besant. The premier treatise on the subject may be "The Secret Book" by Artephius which is available at these Web sites:

 

http://www.levity.com/alchemy/artephiu.htmlhttp://www.system-zero.com/artheph.html

There may be several paths to the Philosopher's Stone. There may even be several different Stones. More research on the nature of m-state is needed. Since the ORMUS materials are much more prevalent in nature than their metallic counterparts, they can be extracted with some time, effort, and understanding. We invite others to join in the quest for knowledge of these materials.

THEORIES FROM PHYSICS AND CHEMISTRY ABOUT THE M-STATE ELEMENTS

The following information is presented to promote scientific research into the nature of these materials. Although these theories are based on our best knowledge at this time, further scientific research may prove some of these theories to be inaccurate. Remember that the following are just theories. A monoatomic element has one atom per molecule; a diatomic element has two atoms per molecule. Certain elements in a monatomic or diatomic configuration can form a stable structure where all of their electrons are Cooper paired, and so are not available as valence electrons (more on this later). Elements in this configuration are superconductors at room temperature and exhibit other quantum physical behaviors at a visible scale. Some of these quantum physical behaviors include:

 

• Anomalous responses to gravity
• Superfluidity
• "Tunneling" through solid objects
• Deformed nuclei in a high-spin state

One term for these materials is microclusters. Microclusters have been described as follows on a microcluster forum:

• "A microcluster is a small chemically inert cluster of atoms that has definite crystalline structure. They can be synthetic, however for this work an assumption is that the natural microclusters are forms comparable to the man-made microcluster. Microcluster research started with natural occurrences. Clusters exist as molecular species which can substitute and mimic various elements for one another. Microclusters can be as large as 200 or more atoms. Certain atomic examples for each atom are rare; the rarity is due to current physical chemistry concepts. Research has demonstrated that natural micro-clusters are superconductors; they are Cheshire in that they can disappear and avoid chemical detection by conventional means. Most, if not all, have catalytic properties; they are magnetic or can be induced to have electromagnetic properties; and they can form giant inert ions which I call Mega-ions."

 

ORMUS AND BECs

Physicists have recently created a new state of matter (which we believe is related to ORMUS) in the laboratory. This state of matter is called a Bose-Einstein Condensate (BEC) after Satyendra Nath Bose and Albert Einstein who postulated the existence of this state of matter in the 1920s. Their theory was not "proven" until BECs were created in the laboratory in 1995 by Eric Cornell and Carl Wieman in Boulder, Colorado. They did it by cooling atoms to a much lower temperature than had been previously achieved. This temperature was a millionth of a degree above absolute zero. Absolute zero is the temperature at which all atomic movement ceases. When atoms are cooled near absolute zero, they move much more slowly than when they are at normal temperatures. David Hudson postulates that his ORME atoms have a natural internal temperature which is very close to absolute zero. This may be why they can be Bose-Einstein condensates at room temperature and higher.

A Bose-Einstein Condensate is a group of atoms which are all in the same quantum state. Such a group of atoms consequently behaves, in some ways, as a single atom. Superconductors are a form of BECs and so are superfluids.

You can read a simple description of what BECs are and how they work on the BEC homepage.

Here is an explanation of how BECs, superconductors and Cooper pairing inter-relate from the American Institute of Physics web page titled BECs, superconductors, and Cooper pairing:

 

• "A superfluid is a liquid that flows without viscosity or inner friction. For a liquid to become superfluid, the atoms or molecules making up the liquid must be cooled or "condensed" to the point at which they all occupy the same quantum state. A liquid of helium-3, an atom whose nucleus is made up of an odd number of particles, is a type of particle known as a fermion. Groups of fermions are not allowed to occupy the same quantum state." "By cooling the liquid to a low enough temperature, helium-3 atoms can pair up. The number of particles in each nucleus adds up to an even number, making it a type of particle known as a boson. Groups of bosons can fall into the same quantum state, and therefore superfluidity can be achieved. Helium-4 (middle panel), a boson, does not need to pair up to form a superfluid; groups of helium-4 atoms condense into the superfluid state at about 2 degrees above absolute zero. Superfluidity, especially the kind that exists in helium-3, is analogous to conventional low-temperature superconductivity, in which electrons flow through certain metals and alloys without resistance. In a superconductor (right panel), electrons, which are fermions, pair up in the metal crystal to form "Cooper pairs," bosons which can then condense into a superconducting state."
  

 

THE DIATOMIC NATURE OF SOME M-STATE MATERIALS

The following elements, which are known to have an m-state, have an odd number of electrons and protons: Cobalt

Copper

Rhodium

Silver

Iridium

Gold In order for these atoms to be superconductors in the m-state, they must be at least diatoms. The m-state of gold and other precious elements is different from the metallic state of these same elements. For example ingesting m-state gold has different effects on the body than the effects of ingesting metallic gold. What makes the ORMUS state atoms different is that they will not form metal-metal bonds with their own kind.

They won't form metal-metal bonds because their valence electrons are not available to form normal molecular bonds. This is because each electron is paired up with another electron in a Cooper paired state. When electrons are Cooper paired, they cease to behave as particles and begin to behave more like light.

Since you must have an even number of electrons in order for every electron to pair up with another electron, you cannot have the m-state of any element which has an odd number of electrons without having at least two of these atoms paired up.

For example, iridium has an atomic number of 77. This means that iridium has 77 electrons. 76 of these electrons could pair up but that would still leave one electron available for bonding with another atom in a compound. But if you had two atoms of iridium with mingled nuclei and electron clouds you would have 154 electrons. Since 154 is an even number, all of these electrons can pair up into 77 Cooper pairs. Nucleons also pair up in the same way to form superconductors.

All known superconductors involve this kind of Cooper pairing.

Please realize that as a Bose-Einstein condensate, both atoms in the diatom will behave as one atom. They also resonance couple with other diatoms of the same element which are nearby. This resonance-coupled quantum oscillation is another of the definitions of superconductivity.

As you use chemistry to move a metal toward the ORMUS/BEC state, the chemical reactions necessary to do this moving become weaker and weaker since fewer and fewer of the valence electrons are available to participate in the chemical reactions. Eventually there are no electron handles that can be used to manipulate these materials. Fortunately these materials have other properties which can be used to manipulate them.

Since they are superconductors, they can be manipulated by magnetic fields. For example, if you shield them from magnetic fields during boiling processes, you will be able to conserve more of them in your liquid since they will not be impelled to tunnel out of your container or go off as a gas.

They can also be manipulated by providing them with a comfy "box" to hide out in. The ORMUS/BECs seem to "like" tight spaces. Ring molecules such as the tri-sodium ring or the diozone ring can provide a chemical "box" with handles. Salt and sodium, in particular, seem to stabilize the ORMUS materials, theoretically by forming a triangular structure or box around the precious element atom. Though you cannot get a chemical handle on the fully Cooper paired ORMUS atoms, you can entice them into a chemical box with handles and then manipulate the box using fairly standard physical and chemical methods.

So, although these elements are the same as the "heavy metal" elements, they are not in a metallic state and as long as the m-state of these elements is present in sufficient amounts, the metallic portion seems to "borrow" the properties of the m-state.

BECs are also known to have the ability to "tunnel" across impenetrable barriers. Professor Brian D. Josephson of the Theory of Condensed Matter Group of the Cavendish Laboratory, Cambridge (i.e. the Physics Department of the University of Cambridge) received the Nobel Prize in physics for his discovery of the tunneling phenomenon. Dr. Josephson is currently working on something called the Mind-Matter Unification Project.

ORMUS AND MICROTUBULES

Other physicists are also working on theories which unite mind and matter. One fairly recent discovery in biology and physics is that a certain small structure in every cell, called the microtubule, exhibits superconductive and tunneling behaviors at body temperature.

You can read more about the quantum properties of microtubules from links on Rhett Savage's Quantum Brain web page.

And on several of Matti Pitkanen's web pages:

 

Exotic atoms and a mechanism for superconductivity in biosystemsNegentropy Maximization Principle and TGD Inspired Theory of Consciousness
TGD:eish model for the EEG and generation of nerve pulse

One of the problems with modern quantum physical theories is that there is no way to logically connect the Bose-Einstein condensates, which have been demonstrated to exist in small groups of atoms at a millionth of a degree above absolute zero, with the BEC like behavior of microtubules at body temperature in living cells. ORMUS materials would make this connection. Several of the modern theories relating to microtubules were proposed by Roger Penrose (a physicist) and Stuart Hameroff (an anesthesiologist).

Here we will quote from an anonymous scientist who has explained Penrose and Hameroff's theory quite elegantly:

 

• "Penrose has been seeking a better way to explain the fantastic computational power of the brain and Hameroff has been seeking the source of consciousness. The two heard of each other and got together to find that they both sought a common structure, the microtubule. "Penrose sought a structure in the brain that had nanometer dimensions because such a structure would be necessary to support quantum effects. Hameroff sought the structure responsible for consciousness. They agreed that the microtubules would provide for both.
  "Mictotubules are tiny tubular structures within neurons that are made from two forms of tubulin. The two forms can be switched by tiny electric currents, so Penrose has proposed that the tubulin units may be the on/off switches for the brain's data processing. I agree with this proposal because it allows us to be what we are by increasing our potential processing rate from from an unacceptable 10 Exp11 operations per second (OPS) to a reasonably acceptable 10 Exp24 OPS. Penrose explains all this quite well and I recommend him to all who would like to have a deeper understanding of our minds.
  "Hameroff has done a lot of research into how consciousness works and he has concluded that the microtubules are the source of our consciousness. This is discussed in and supported by Penrose’s work. Hameroff has concluded that the observable quantum effects that occur in human brains are caused by highly aligned water that is inside the microtubules. Penrose agrees with this concept and further argues that Bose- Einstein Condensations (BECs) in the neurons are how we reach decisions. The BECs are possible because the water inside the microtubules can be strongly aligned to form a high-temperature superconductive medium.
  "This concept supports my thinking very well. BECs provide an explanation for all the effects I refer to as psionics. These effects include: telepathy, remote viewing, bilocation, telekinesis, and astral travel. A BEC in the Broca area of the brain would allow thoughts to exist inside the brain and outside the head at the same time. This can explain both telepathy and how it is controlled. Likewise, a BEC in the visual processing areas would explain remote viewing. Since microtubules exist in all neurons and neurons extend into all parts of the body, a BEC including all neurons would allow the body to exist in two (or more) places at the same time, thus explaining bilocation.
  "With this discovery, all psionics can be explained in modern physical terms. This opens the whole field of psionics to persons like myself who have had so much technical training that it is impossible to accept psionics. This discovery means that all the formal training I've had in Chemistry, Math, and Physics still applies and can even help explain psionics. For me, it is good to know that all these topics can exist peacefully together."
  

For more information on "psychic" observations of these materials see:

Paranormal Observations of ORMEs Atomic Structure
http://zz.com/WhiteGoldWeb/ozone1.htm

In a paper titled "Orchestrated reduction of quantum coherence in brain microtubules: A model for consciousness" (Hameroff/Penrose site at U. of Arizona), Hameroff and Penrose write:

• "A critical number of tubulins maintaining coherence within [microtubules] for 500 msec collapses its own wave function (objective reduction: OR). This occurs because the mass-energy difference among the superpositioned states of coherent tubulins critically perturbs space-time geometry. To prevent multiple universes, the system must reduce to a single space-time by choosing eigenstates."

Hameroff and Penrose are saying that in order to avoid "seeing" multiple universes at the same time, the quantum coherence created in microtubules by some material (we think the m-state materials) must collapse. What if the quantum coherence did not collapse and we became aware of multiple universes? Many modern physicists believe that there are an infinite number of parallel universes. They theorize that atoms are made up of smaller particles which are like bubbles in the quantum foam. These bubbles in the quantum foam or "holes in the aether" spend a fraction of their existence in each of these parallel universes. There is quite a debate as to whether information is transferred between these parallel universes. You can read a bit about this debate at:
Braintennis
http://www.hotwired.com/synapse/braintennis/97/41/index0a.html

This concept of multiple or parallel universes has been a recurring theme in science fiction for at least 60 years. It is also one of the key concepts of modern mystical thought. It first appeared as a mystical concept in The 'Unknown' Reality by Jane Roberts which was dictated by Seth in 1974-75.

SOME TESTS FOR M-STATE

M-state material, in a wet precipitate form, will dissolve in HCl. M-state material, in a dry powder form, will not dissolve in HCl or aqua regia. Because m-state is a superconductor, rotating a magnet under some of the dry powder m-state elements will cause the powder to fly away from the magnet.

INFORMATION RESOURCES

For the interested person willing to do the necessary work, there is an abundance of detailed technical information available on the Web. The best related web sites are:

High-Spin Monatomic Research at:
http://monatomic.earth.com/The WhiteGold Web Home Page at:
http://www.zz.com/WhiteGoldWeb/
Superconductive s-ORMEs
http://www.jps.net/shacoma/dh/

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[Slybacon]

Ok so I am thinking of making some of this using seawater locally collected and processed on a full moon. Has any one here got any tips or links that will help me make the most of this?

Was thinking that maybe the contaminants in the seawater would be toxic. Would it be better to make my own seawater?

Edited February 14, 2010 by Slybacon

[mescalito]

Ok so I am thinking of making some of this using seawater locally collected and processed on a full moon. Has any one here got any tips or links that will help me make the most of this?

Was thinking that maybe the contaminants in the seawater would be toxic. Would it be better to make my own seawater?

 

That's how most people make it and have done for a looong time now, tho prepare 3 days before(collected at the previous full moon),energise and precipitate on the full moon,let settle for 3,wash and refine.

If trapping,then only M-State materials will be drawn off,so no contamination...once again an accurate PH meter is your best investment.

If you want a more tailored or "pure" for want of a better word product,then make a solution of "wet" salts(health food shops/eebay etc) in Pureau or distilled or boiled water....even tap water will form a precipitate,maybe not the mix or variety sought after though if it aint in suspension, you can't get it out

[Light&Love]

That's how most people make it and have done for a looong time now, tho prepare 3 days before(collected at the previous full moon),energise and precipitate on the full moon,let settle for 3,wash and refine.

If trapping,then only M-State materials will be drawn off,so no contamination...once again an accurate PH meter is your best investment.

If you want a more tailored or "pure" for want of a better word product,then make a solution of "wet" salts(health food shops/eebay etc) in Pureau or distilled or boiled water....even tap water will form a precipitate,maybe not the mix or variety sought after though if it aint in suspension, you can't get it out

 

Am keen to hear more about your experiments on your plants with WPG mesc, do you think that WPG contains a much purer form of fetriliser in the form of trace elements for the plants, i.e. Boron, Selenium etc..? In other words, is it the high spin elements that make the plants grow better or is it the nutrients that you are feeding it? if that makes much sense..

Peace

[mescalito]

Am keen to hear more about your experiments on your plants with WPG mesc, do you think that WPG contains a much purer form of fetriliser in the form of trace elements for the plants, i.e. Boron, Selenium etc..? In other words, is it the high spin elements that make the plants grow better or is it the nutrients that you are feeding it? if that makes much sense..

Peace

 

Hi LightnLove,am I getting the WPG and Ormus threads a bit arse round,my bad.But!

It has been used with plants,the WPG have at home was intended for human consumption,that being said it will still have an effect on your plants.

Ormus is a loose name for one or more monatomic elements and you are right that selenium even by itself is a great activator and also is transportable into the cellular structure of the plant for injestion.It's now in the supermarket bread as it's added to the wheat growing process and or the mill.From memory it has anti-aging properties,which would make sense for the product(no preservatives anymore),but also for the consumer of the product.

I would stick to a broader mix of salts to make a "wet method" precipitate.It is not a fertiliser as such but definitely an intelligent activator esp. with fungi.Without beneficial fungi plants tend to suffer other ailments

If Simondontanna get's back to the forums...he's the man.

I'll try to dig up the application rates for Ag purposes too.

[Neoshaman]

I have some white powder gold for sale, it instantly cures gullibility!!! Just send money to my bank account in the cayman islands, and your bank account details too.

Oh, btw, this guy is a con man, he used to get around with some fake prince once, funny shit.

Don't get me wrong, I like my white powders, just not the monatomic nonexistant types.

 

Hmmm I just love people who slag things off without doing any research anyway i'd be rather intrested to see proof Gardners a conman some of his ideas are a lil out of the ordinary i just done a quick search round and the only sites i can find that bring Gardner in to question are ran by Christians or commentary by Christians who have every need to discredit Gardners writings show me some solid proof or keep your criticism to yourself its kind of hypocritical in my opinion to criticise without having any proof to offer besides that the guy that discovered it is David Hudson Gardner just expounds on Hudson's ( as others have mentioned)theories

I've tried WPG on a number of occasions and i'll personally vouch for its positive effects what I'm more intrested in is its interaction with psychadelics possibly a new and intresting field personally from experience i would say there is some level of interaction maybe purely placebo I would be very intrested to see what others have experienced

Edited February 15, 2010 by chaosmagick

[Slybacon]

^^^^ Yeah i don't know if it will bring about any changes in me. Being very self aware of changes in my body I feel better testing this for myself before deciding if there is anything to it. Would need to do some swaps with people to do controls with different materials as well, just to be sure it wasn't just failed procedure. But to be honest it looks pretty easy.

Mesq, have you made much of this? What have you found works best in the body. I'm training for a surf trip in sumatra for june so i dont want to feel drowsy like some reports have suggested?

Edited February 15, 2010 by Slybacon

[Teljkon]

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[Teljkon]

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[mescalito]

@Slybacon: I haven't actually made the products myself,but have been lifelong friends with my friend as I said,who makes it.We have had a lot of discussions about how he makes it,I've tried his ormus,had results(still am ) and as for WPG I've tried Hudson's.

There is a difference between one monatomic element and a mix(ormus solution)...do we all understand that?

Ok my personal life is quite full atm and I haven't really been tending my plants as often as I should,luckily the ormus batch he made for me works on the plants too,so this has kept them sustained and brought some back from the brink of death,whilst I have been dealing with issues and settling in to a new place.

He will be coming to town to show me "hands on" the way he makes it very soon,then I will start making it.I'm just one of those "I need to watch the process first" types,written instructions tend to not sink in as well (my school reports will attest LOL!)

@Teljkon:What is this quicksilver? Isn't that mercury

Yeah I know it's just a brand name,so I'm assuming you purchased something and drank it,so who was the vendor may I ask?

Are they credible?

If it's based on silver (Ag) alone then It may be much the same/similar as colloidal silver??

Gold is very strong and is aimed at raising the consciousness level,sometimes quite rapidly,thus the use and reverence by the Pharaohs (living gods),I doubt they would have slugged down bottles of it tho,as the process in the body and consciousness is one of slow accumulation...just like life

It may even not even be right for you or too strong or too weak, if at all in a high-spin state.

Leave it near your mobile,P.C.,microwave etc and the element/s will snap back to a standard element/solution whatever.Thus the need for correct handling and storage.

Anyone can make up a batch of salt water....even ormus and get little to no effect,thus the need to KNOW what you are doing and especially the use of an ACCURATE digital PH meter.

One tiny fraction over and the elements will return to their natural state....easily rectified,but precise measurements are needed for a half-decent product.

Yes it will contain the salts/precipitate,but it's all about the starting product,correct extraction and INTENT imprinted on the solution,as well as proper storage etc. this has all been covered in this thread.

Salt mixes with high amounts of Iridium an Rhodium are the most beneficial for the wholistic approach.

As for slugging a whole bottle......works with booze and drugs but

you're missing the point.

It's subtle.

[spice]

None of this comes some peer reviewed journals by actual scientists. The internet is full of insane claims and physically impossible medical cures. Sorry but this is just one more. Have your mind open but not so open things start falling out =p use some critical thinking guys.

[Slybacon]

None of this comes some peer reviewed journals by actual scientists. The internet is full of insane claims and physically impossible medical cures. Sorry but this is just one more. Have your mind open but not so open things start falling out =p use some critical thinking guys.

 

Is this your assumption or are you talking from experience. Cause your comment has no validity. I'm currently sitting on the fence, I'm going to give my comments after i have actually tested this substance myself. I do feel very skeptical but thats just my subjective opinion. When i have actual results I can make a valid contribution for or against.

~boom~

[spice]

No I haven't tried it, I don't make a habit out of following recipes off the internet and putting the final result in my mouth, especially when it comes to magical metals. When looking into it phrases like "ORMEs are said to have extraordinary powers of levitation, transmutation, and teleportation." pop up on google and set off my bullshit meter I don't need to eat it. I love the idea of the philosophers stone but this isn't it by a long shot.

[Teljkon]

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[mescalito]

No one's saying you should do anything...in fact if you're not interested or rather don't want to know,then read another thread,you're life IS getting shorter by the minute,that's a scientific fact

I'm not shoving this up anyone's arse or saying it's "The Cure,Philosophers' stone" etc....just providing the knowledge I have accumulated so far.

From mine and others' experience we all have found something in it.(I didn't even start the thread!)

The "Philosophers Stone" is a loose term for the end of the rainbow lol, I thought anyone with half a brain should have worked that out by now

With an accurate PH meter and salt water what can go wrong??

You can measure what's in there with a spectrometer and all that will show up is salt water.

I know ...you're thinking "Lye solution" to drop the precipitate=Danger!!!,thus the need to do any PH work safely....hmmm funny how many people make plant extractions using dangerous chemicals based on what they have read on the internet,yep right in the Corroboree under "Chemistry" LOFL!!!...how many people get wrecked off pills every weekend,source and contents UNKNOWN!!??,members and ormus debunkers alike!

Strike 2 notes on a guitar and you should only be able to register the 2 notes...if one is harmonically different you will get a third note!.......where did that come from?

What does the spirit weigh on digital scales?

How do you measure the energy transfer at the point of flashing from liquid to vapour?

What are your truths really based on?

Google,Erowid reports,the T.V. News,Newspapers,mum's recipes,Dad's advice,the next door neighbours' secret bug killer,Science journals,Doctors,Chemists,Physicists, Psychiatrists,Politics,Religion?

Millions of people take Anti-D's,Benzo's,Anti-psych's etc. and there is STILL not enough understanding how these chemicals work...but we take'em blindly because the doc said it would work......well there's a lot of pissed off people out there that did and wished they hadn't.I am but only one of them.

Ormus plays a MAJOR role in Christianity funny enough if you have done your research..."Jews" collected "Dew" each morning and consumed it,I guess they were just thirsty and would rather walk past the aqua-ducts to collect little droplets of water?

Some things can only be experienced,some can't be measured with our current technology and some people just love to argue.

I am the ever expanding universe in my life and with each step there is always something new to understand,if being stagnant is you're preference that's totally fine with me as long as you are happy

[hutch]

No one's saying you should do anything...in fact if you're not interested or rather don't want to know,then read another thread,you're life IS getting shorter by the minute,that's a scientific fact

I'm not shoving this up anyone's arse or saying it's "The Cure,Philosophers' stone" etc....just providing the knowledge I have accumulated so far.

From mine and others' experience we all have found something in it.(I didn't even start the thread!)

The "Philosophers Stone" is a loose term for the end of the rainbow lol, I thought anyone with half a brain should have worked that out by now

With an accurate PH meter and salt water what can go wrong??

You can measure what's in there with a spectrometer and all that will show up is salt water.

I know ...you're thinking "Lye solution" to drop the precipitate=Danger!!!,thus the need to do any PH work safely....hmmm funny how many people make plant extractions using dangerous chemicals based on what they have read on the internet,yep right in the Corroboree under "Chemistry" LOFL!!!...how many people get wrecked off pills every weekend,source and contents UNKNOWN!!??,members and ormus debunkers alike!

Strike 2 notes on a guitar and you should only be able to register the 2 notes...if one is harmonically different you will get a third note!.......where did that come from?

What does the spirit weigh on digital scales?

How do you measure the energy transfer at the point of flashing from liquid to vapour?

What are your truths really based on?

Google,Erowid reports,the T.V. News,Newspapers,mum's recipes,Dad's advice,the next door neighbours' secret bug killer,Science journals,Doctors,Chemists,Physicists, Psychiatrists,Politics,Religion?

Millions of people take Anti-D's,Benzo's,Anti-psych's etc. and there is STILL not enough understanding how these chemicals work...but we take'em blindly because the doc said it would work......well there's a lot of pissed off people out there that did and wished they hadn't.I am but only one of them.

Ormus plays a MAJOR role in Christianity funny enough if you have done your research..."Jews" collected "Dew" each morning and consumed it,I guess they were just thirsty and would rather walk past the aqua-ducts to collect little droplets of water?

Some things can only be experienced,some can't be measured with our current technology and some people just love to argue.

I am the ever expanding universe in my life and with each step there is always something new to understand,if being stagnant is you're preference that's totally fine with me as long as you are happy

 

Well said mate!

Be and let be!

Whats the fuss all about, just change the channel

[Teljkon]

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Edited December 19, 2021 by Teljkon

[spice]

If you want to believe in this thats fine, but realise its a belief, none of this is backed in any way shape or form by science its a case of a man using big words to sell snake oil. Its just a form of religion.

I know ...you're thinking "Lye solution" to drop the precipitate=Danger!!!,thus the need to do any PH work safely....hmmm funny how many people make plant extractions using dangerous chemicals based on what they have read on the internet,yep right in the Corroboree under "Chemistry"

They are acid/base extractions, one of the simpler chemical processes performed thousands of times a day and no mystery to man =p

Strike 2 notes on a guitar and you should only be able to register the 2 notes...if one is harmonically different you will get a third note!.......where did that come from?

Thats not magic.

What does the spirit weigh on digital scales?

I think people who believe in souls like myself use the non-physical loophole so we don't have to face the facts haha.

How do you measure the energy transfer at the point of flashing from liquid to vapour?

Any year 11 physics textbook can answer that.

Millions of people take Anti-D's,Benzo's,Anti-psych's etc. and there is STILL not enough understanding how these chemicals work...but we take'em blindly because the doc said it would work......well there's a lot of pissed off people out there that did and wished they hadn't.I am but only one of them.

We know exactly how these SSRI's etc work, thats because clever people spent a lot of time researching them and publishing their research for other clever people to check. Their effectiveness is a completely different issue. They are extremely overprescribed and can be dangerous. I would probably recomend them for 1/5th of the people that use them.

[Slybacon]

This all reminds me a bit of Orgone Energy.

http://www.orgoneenergy.org/

[mescalito]

Some valid points there and I agree with more than you probably would think...(I was waiting for the 28 grams )

I was pretty much stirring you up to see how far you would go after your first post on the subject, as you and I have had little to no interaction on the forums and also to back up the fact that there is something mysterious,but true about the effects as some others here will attest....yes I know how the third note sounds and where it comes from

There are charlatans and cowboys in every trade which is why I would personally make it myself,besides the subtle energies imprinted to tailor your own product.There is nothing to lose but to try at the very least.

As far as religion goes,well I'm not religious per se' ,but am very interested in the origins of the stories and rites that the past has to offer.

All jokes aside there are probably more reasons than we will ever know why there are pretty much no legitimate scientific papers on this field in circulation.One that definitely "springs to mind" , is that this stuff has been proven by users to be a catalyst for a lot of health benefits(both mind,body and spirit), and can be made at home in the kitchen sink by a poor man....equals Pharm,Gov interests and profits from inoculations,medications etc could "possibly" lose them a lot of MONEY just like Psychedelic Research having to go underground!

The same goes for the laws that prohibit us from growing our own certain medicinal plants for bugger all.We are controlled by liars and I think most would agree on this and it revolves around fake money that we invest to grease the wheels that roll over us....nothing but rat's on a treadmill.....who in their right mind that's in control of media and research would publish high profit data of any type to help us help ourselves if it were available?

Agronomists are making it and not labeling it as Ormus right now because it's marketed as a fertiliser booster and getting very good reputations for their products.....and making money

I respect your viewpoint and your input and there's no love lost mate,that's what the discussion has evolved into and I guess that's why we are debating.I hope I haven't come across as a know it all because honestly I know very little in comparison to my friend, as he does in comparison to those who came before us...man I'd like to see scientific data etc on Ormus,WPG,monatomic elements and see them in everyday use as they are "something-else!"

But I just can't see it happening whilst money and mass marketing and greed for power are our obstacles.

IMHO Gold is worth more for it's properties than it's weight and $$ value.As far as making ORMEs from it to sell,then if it's done for the right reasons and the cost is worth the result,then all is used and I have no problem with that.

WPG will teach you this like the mushroom,in a way you didn't think before...and never thought you could.

That's just my viewpoint as of this moment in my life.

Peace light'nlove and all that shit

[mescalito]

If you want to believe in this thats fine, but realise its a belief, none of this is backed in any way shape or form by science its a case of a man using big words to sell snake oil. Its just a form of religion.

They are acid/base extractions, one of the simpler chemical processes performed thousands of times a day and no mystery to man =p

Really,well bugger me,so I just chuck in a bottle of draino straight into a glass jar of water then,got me excited now I'm gunna do it!

For me it's not a matter of belief, but personal experience.

Thats not magic.

Never said or thought it was.

I think people who believe in souls like myself use the non-physical loophole so we don't have to face the facts haha.

MINUS ONE CREDIT.

Any year 11 physics textbook can answer that.

Being in the refrigeration industry for well over 17 years....well there's a little more goes on than year 11 text books...oh that's right if it's published it must be true,field work is not considered here sorry that's the debate I forgot, not the latent heat of vapourisiation/evaporation my bad

We know exactly how these SSRI's etc work, thats because clever people spent a lot of time researching them and publishing their research for other clever people to check. Their effectiveness is a completely different issue. They are extremely overprescribed and can be dangerous. I would probably recomend them for 1/5th of the people that use them.

 

EXACTLY!?....wow!!! hey please enlighten me!

Damn those clever people that need other clever people to check their work and publish books which in turn make things real.

I'd recommend 20 mins in the morning and at night meditating,but hey I'm not clever enough to know how much serotonin,nor-adrenaline,dopamine and GABA my brain needs....must get me one of those measuring kits from the clever people.

Come on

Edited February 27, 2010 by mescalito

[The Dude]

love your posts in this thread mescalito!

Teljkon... For somebody so enthusiastic about the scientific method, you don't seem to adhere to the traditional understandings and definitions with your use of words like 'automs' -maybe symbolic of your automatic thinking to reject alternatives not endorsed by 'the man'

...explain to me how something, ANYTHING can have "no science in its make up".. how can any physically real thing that we can observe with the scientific method... not have a corresponding scientific explanation or hypothesis?

Spice, are you a troll? In a few posts now I've seen disbelief and ridicule of alternative theories without much to back up your doubts. There might be a Nobel prize for you in the furthering of establishment profits via rejection of novel discoveries.

Edited February 27, 2010 by The Dude

[Teljkon]

asdasd

Edited December 19, 2021 by Teljkon

[The Dude]

Spelling mistakes are a pretty pathetic thing to pick on in an internet debate. I'm sorry you were edumacated in America, truth is our system is keen to follow yours too.

It really has nothing to do with spelling, I was just being a smartarse & saying that science is all about being technical and the wording of a hypothesis and what these words define as much as the mathematical and abstract thinking.

Scientists are authors of a theory that they've been somehow led to believe, they then become Authorities and make this theory a consensus belief of the masses. Sounds just like divine inspiration from god about the nature of the universe and these scientists are much like what we call prophets.. ie: science is another religion. Things .. just thing. It's a matter of interpretation what it is to thing, they haven't changed the way they thing, but we sure as hell keep changing our explanations, and hence our vision of what these things are.

If you could shift that authority to your own connection to this divine inspiration, you shift the responsibility for how you view things, back to your own control. free reign over your own perception and what reality is to you.

...just a theory.

[mescalito]

El Dude you quack me up

Was just out the back filling up the pool with Ormus after getting 3rd degree burns from that damn Lye experiment

...well I had to wash it off with something!

Now look at me!