Need some advice

[MindExpansion]

Ok so first I'll outline the situation that unfolded.

I'm cooking dinner in my apartment, my gf is home, haven't heard or created any loud noise or yelling etc.

Get a knock on the door, yell out who it is and have the response 'its the police'.

Go to look through the peephole to see 3 plain clothed officers standing there badges out asking me to open the door.

Open up, and they tell me that they have had a call of a domestic dispute, furniture being tossed about and broken etc.

Like I said, I hadn't heard ANYTHING like that from the building, let alone from my apartment.

First thing they asked is if they could come in, I said yes so in they came, they were actually quite nice.

Asked us if we'd been fighting or had dropped or smashed anything, we said no, they 'checked on their informant' on their radio's and came in again and kept asking if we had heard anything or had been fighting or yelling...'no we haven't and havent even heard anything'.

So they take my name, d.o.b, address and phone number, along with my gf's.

I said that i didnt expect 3 plain clothed officers to be sent out for a domestic call...they say that it was because no other cars were available...then just as they are about to leave i see the lift outside open and 4 more uniformed officers step out...

Is it standard to send 7 cops, including 3 plain clothed cops to a domestic...

Do they use that sort of thing as an excuse to gain access to a suspects house when a warrant would not have been available or where they just want to take an easy way to get in?

Also, they didn't seem to look around too hard when in here, stayed in the living room and one went into the kitchen when my gf was in there to take her details.

Door to the bedroom was open but study and bathroom were shut and they didn't try to look in there.

Is this something to be worried about or me being paranoid?

Peace

Edited March 18, 2009 by MindExpansion

[Evil Genius]

HI ME! Its hard to tell. I´m sure they would check out an area where they suspect to happen illegal things! Especially in cases where drugs/weed /etc are involved. But if this would be the case, they could just walk inside and take a look anyways! We recently had such a topic and we came to the consensus that they dont really need a search warrant! It makes sense that the police would send more than 3 Police Officers to check a place where they suspect a family fight or a lot of domestic drama going on! So i wouldnt be too worried! Especially if they havent found something that makes them wanna come back! bye Eg

Edited March 24, 2009 by Evil Genius

[Undergrounder]

Perhaps the uniformed cops were called out, but the plain-clothes police heard about it, knew they were closer and decided to drop by first. Then the other cops arrive and it kind of makes sense.

You know what i wanna know, what happened if you said "No" to them asking to come in. Would they then pull the "we heard there's been a disturbance" thing and come in anyway, but this time instead of a friendly chat in the living room they do a more vigorous search because you refused to let them in in the first place?

But if they didn't look around much then i think they probably were just doing what they said they were doing.

And that database they took your details for... now if something DOES happen in the future, will they look back at this incident and thing something did happen?

[C_T]

The rules are, in NSW. That General Duties police do all domestic disputes. Large or small.

These General Duties always wear a uniform... The only people that don't wear a uniform are Detectives.

So yes, i believe it was a scout. But from your description, your clear.

[MindExpansion]

Yeh was a bit concerned about giving my details given that now they will be in the system...but its another one of things you cant really say no to without looking as if you have something to hide.

And the plain clothed cops told me that the uniformed cops were also in the building, so they didn't just arrive by coincidence.

It may just be me being paranoid, but the lack of ANY disturbance in the apartment block that i heard is what makes it wierd that they arrived at my apartment, because if there had been a disturbance in any of the surrounding apartments I would've heard it...but nothing.

Peace

[mac]

With all the troubles lately with domestic's, murders involving family's defactos & sadly children etc, not to mention the mental health issue. It dose not surprise me that so many police were sent to your building as the suspect could have fled the scene & the more police looking for a suspect the better the chance of finding him/her

Even though some officers,or plain clothed police were present it may just be that they were in the area with nothing better to do or they were able to respond faster than the uniformed officers

I think you are fairly safe because once you invite them in if they had wanted to search around a little more im sure they would have , you acted as any member of the public who had nothing to hide would have IMO

[C_T]

I think you should ask some neighbors if they also got a knock.

[El Presidente Hillbillios]

i think i would run away and hide in the hills for a while LOL

[misteek]

you guys credit our police force too much . 7 officers for a domestic disturbance? sounds a bit fishy to me. maybe if there was actually a disturbance it would be credited. but eh i think you have to make your own conclusions on the situation as your the only one that really knows what's actually going on.

EDIT: just realised this is why all the real crimes go unsolved - they're too busy following up phoney reports no but seriously im just taking the piss - our officers do a really good job!

Edited March 20, 2009 by misteek

[Smiling Cloud]

I was at a house the other day where 4 officers came to check up on a domestic. We spent the last bit of light looking around in my friends ethno garden quietly talking then the cops rocked up. It was only me and her there and we hadn't heard anything. Was a bit weird. However the old bird next door always has her tv on full bore cause she's deaf so maybe someone heard that.

Maybe they send lots of cops in case there is a disturbance and they have to restrain someone?

[the germinator]

It makes sense to send extra in case of trouble, the clowns can't knuckle & the media gives 'em the floggin they deserve for shootin' people

But it doesn't explain why they said there were no other filth available & then ya' saw their buddies gettin' outa' the lift. Shouldn't the 1s in costume have been the 1s to make these enquiries? I'd be suss, especially if you're in NSW, they have new scary marshall law up there.

I'd be worried that when you go out someone may break in & set up a Booby trap & then the poor innocent officers may come snooping around before you get home & accidentally set the said booby-trap off, oh the horror!

[Chiral]

I've lived in apartment complex's a lot and especially around the city you find there is always some couple or family that is abusive or drink a lot..I've had to call the fuzz many times on neighbours who are beating the shit outta each other..particularly when they have children around the house it's very disturbing...I've had to do it due to the brutality of the situation..the people Ive called the cops on have threatened me afterwards and even attacked me and tried to force entry with knives etc...every time I've called the fuzz they have come in uniform and usually it's the nearest patrol car that has to respond...generally for domestics it's a pair of uniforms...if the domestic is of known abusers and it's of a particularly violent nature they may call for backup. I had to call the fuzz more 6 times to one neighbour and finally they sent 5 cops around and tackled him once the broke into his apartment. This guy was violent alcoholic and would abuse his GF so bad she sometimes used to jump her own back patio wall into mine to escape him...needless to say I lived in fear also for the couple of years they lived there. I've had a lot of experience like I say with appalling neighbours and its always just the 2 local cops on patrol that are called to attend.

H.

[ThunderIdeal]

i think 7, or maybe 6 was the number of cops involved in my last domestic scenario. uniformed though.

[the germinator]

The only times I've EVER seen D's knock on a door they've been holding a warrant, I didn't know they did routine enquiries...

[MindExpansion]

But does plainclothed = detectives?

[C_T]

Yes it does...

Normal police wear a uniform.

[the germinator]

I don't wanna alarm ya' dude but, I'd seriously consider getting rid of anything illegal which people you don't know may have left lying around your house. Maybe even split

for a while if you have any reason to.

I'm not sayin' something will definitely come of this but it does seem suss.

I had jax dressed up as council surveyers come to my house, they had gauges for reading the air around my house. They came back (the same 2 coppers) a few days

later and raided the joint. This shit really happens man!

What I'm sayin' is just stay toes buddy.

Good luck, I hope I'm wrong about your situation...

[Genesis]

i think you have to make your own conclusions on the situation as your the only one that really knows what's actually going on.

Hahah I like this one. I think you guys are being overly paranoid. The plain clothed fuzz may have been traffic cops close to the area, we get them here all the time. Add to the mix a possible violent domestic I am sure the po po ain't gunna wait for an officer with a uniform to rock up. Which do you think is worse, some cunt getting shot in the face with the fuzz waiting down stairs for a mate with blue pants or a plain clothed cop knocking at your door? The media would have a field day with the former.

And as for the not hearing anything in the area. Could have been a prank. Call the fuzz, give them an address and a random apartment number, tell em' it's getting out of hand. Sounds like a right laugh to me... Fuck I would think about doing it to a mate for a giggle Mb it was a neighbour being a cunt as someone already mentioned.

IF they were suss on you don't you think they would have had a better squiz at your pad while they had a chance instead of only checking two rooms. It was prolly quite obvious you guys wernt engaged in fisty cuffs so they didn't bother sussing the place further.

The poor boy has prolly just flushed the his last gram of weed, deleted all his filthy, filthy porn (I am on to you man) and thrown out his favourite Trich cause you guys have gotten him into panic mode. If I were you I would delete all your burnt music, burn all your pirated DVD's and head for mexico

You will be right brother,

Gen

[hutch]

Ok so first I'll outline the situation that unfolded.

I'm cooking dinner in my apartment, my gf is home, haven't heard or created any loud noise or yelling etc.

Get a knock on the door, yell out who it is and have the response 'its the police'.

Go to look through the peephole to see 3 plain clothed officers standing there badges out asking me to open the door.

Open up, and they tell me that they have had a call of a domestic dispute, furniture being tossed about and broken etc.

Like I said, I hadn't heard ANYTHING like that from the building, let alone from my apartment.

First thing they asked is if they could come in, I said yes so in they came, they were actually quite nice.

Asked us if we'd been fighting or had dropped or smashed anything, we said no, they 'checked on their informant' on their radio's and came in again and kept asking if we had heard anything or had been fighting or yelling...'no we haven't and havent even heard anything'.

So they take my name, d.o.b, address and phone number, along with my gf's.

I said that i didnt expect 3 plain clothed officers to be sent out for a domestic call...they say that it was because no other cars were available...then just as they are about to leave i see the lift outside open and 4 more uniformed officers step out...

Is it standard to send 7 cops, including 3 plain clothed cops to a domestic...

Do they use that sort of thing as an excuse to gain access to a suspects house when a warrant would not have been available or where they just want to take an easy way to get in?

Also, they didn't seem to look around too hard when in here, stayed in the living room and one went into the kitchen when my gf was in there to take her details.

Door to the bedroom was open but study and bathroom were shut and they didn't try to look in there.

Is this something to be worried about or me being paranoid?

Peace

Had a visit from 2 uniformed police a month or so ago a few days after my wife had wrote off our car. I live pretty much in isolation on my 25 acre hobby farm. Because of that isolation I will admit to being very lax when it comes to putting things out of site. They were a couple of nice guys but if they had just opened their eyes a little bit I could have been in a bit of bother. I don't think these guys no too much about anything other than weed in my neck of the woods. Put a fright through me and made me rethink security. You just never know who will come a knocking.

[PhoenixSon]

a good saying my old man once told me,

a pinch of paranoia prevents a pound of pressure

[the germinator]

Nothin' wrong with a bit o' paranoia, even though the whole world is out to get me!

[kenny]

I have lived amongst some pretty shady people and had houses/apartment's searched. Not that they had a warrant for a search, or that I was the target. They do have the right to search pretty much anything if they have reasonable suspicion of illegal activity though.

The likelihood, in my opinion that so many plan clothes officers would come out for a plan ole domestic is small. It seems that they suspected you or someone in the building was up to something. Asking any neighbors if they had a similar call would be worth your time.

Also, I wouldn't worry too much about giving them your name and details either... so far as being 'in the system' now. If that information is important to them, your the last person they are going to ask for it. By that i mean, if you are important to them, they will check the lease agreement on the apartment, or run your plates and follow you around ect... Big Brother is always watching!

Asking you for your details, worst case scenario, was just a way to probe you and see 1)if you reacted and refused to tell and 2)if you lied about who you were. Which would only make them more suspicious. Best case, they just wanted a name to write on their report so they looked like they actually did something that afternoon. In which case, it winds up on a dead file buried in a file cabinet or database somewhere.

If your not doing anything wrong though, your not doing anything wrong. And by that I mean.. your not selling or growing large amounts of anything colorful. Next time offer them some scones and ask if they have accepted Christ into their lives! Sometimes if your overly co-operative they lose interest.

[neo1]

I have lived amongst some pretty shady people and had houses/apartment's searched. Not that they had a warrant for a search, or that I was the target. They do have the right to search pretty much anything if they have reasonable suspicion of illegal activity though.

The likelihood, in my opinion that so many plan clothes officers would come out for a plan ole domestic is small. It seems that they suspected you or someone in the building was up to something. Asking any neighbors if they had a similar call would be worth your time.

Also, I wouldn't worry too much about giving them your name and details either... so far as being 'in the system' now. If that information is important to them, your the last person they are going to ask for it. By that i mean, if you are important to them, they will check the lease agreement on the apartment, or run your plates and follow you around ect... Big Brother is always watching!

Asking you for your details, worst case scenario, was just a way to probe you and see 1)if you reacted and refused to tell and 2)if you lied about who you were. Which would only make them more suspicious. Best case, they just wanted a name to write on their report so they looked like they actually did something that afternoon. In which case, it winds up on a dead file buried in a file cabinet or database somewhere.

If your not doing anything wrong though, your not doing anything wrong. And by that I mean.. your not selling or growing large amounts of anything colorful. Next time offer them some scones and ask if they have accepted Christ into their lives! Sometimes if your overly co-operative they lose interest.

I agree with the germinator. I would be very, extremely careful, it does not mean anything, but man, I seem this type of shite before. Happen to a old out of control addictive non friend of mind....

Yea, he was bragging to me how the DEA was at this door, IN "PLAIN CLOTHES!!!" Its classic!!!!!!! Seen it all before.... just be EXTREMELY CAREFUL!!!

Watch you mail, house, ect, ect, ect. Yea, he though he could just open up the door and talk to them, YEA RIGHT!!! They finally got his ass. He was pretty stupid, he thought they didn't want him, hello, they want who ever they get..

I would think they could go through your mail also(if they couldn't find anything to bust you on, or your trash, probably not you mail though, I was thinking about that the other night. I mean it doesn't mean your in trouble, it does mean I'd be very careful for a year or so.

IF you see cars you wouldn't normally see, stuff like that. The drug coppers work in plain clothes, they want to blend in. I'd just watch me back. I mean, you can't just change your whole life around it, but be careful. They "could" be watching you. If you got a lot of people in a out, "it's not a good thing."

A person I know know does not have people coming in and out of this place and it keeps things pretty cool. Got to watch who you let in you crib.(even so called "FRINDS" Again the person who lived a few blocks down from me never has too many people over. I don't think they got kg's over there, but it seem to help keep things cool. That's the type of stuff they look for. People coming and going A LOT!! Red flags go up.

I not saying you done anything just be careful. In this day and age, I don't think anybodies truly safe... Now that we going to a one world gov.

Oh well. that's life... what can you do.

[neo1]

Ok so first I'll outline the situation that unfolded.

I'm cooking dinner in my apartment, my gf is home, haven't heard or created any loud noise or yelling etc.

Get a knock on the door, yell out who it is and have the response 'its the police'.

Go to look through the peephole to see 3 plain clothed officers standing there badges out asking me to open the door.

Open up, and they tell me that they have had a call of a domestic dispute, furniture being tossed about and broken etc.

Like I said, I hadn't heard ANYTHING like that from the building, let alone from my apartment.

First thing they asked is if they could come in, I said yes so in they came, they were actually quite nice.

Asked us if we'd been fighting or had dropped or smashed anything, we said no, they 'checked on their informant' on their radio's and came in again and kept asking if we had heard anything or had been fighting or yelling...'no we haven't and havent even heard anything'.

So they take my name, d.o.b, address and phone number, along with my gf's.

I said that i didnt expect 3 plain clothed officers to be sent out for a domestic call...they say that it was because no other cars were available...then just as they are about to leave i see the lift outside open and 4 more uniformed officers step out...

Is it standard to send 7 cops, including 3 plain clothed cops to a domestic...

Do they use that sort of thing as an excuse to gain access to a suspects house when a warrant would not have been available or where they just want to take an easy way to get in?

Also, they didn't seem to look around too hard when in here, stayed in the living room and one went into the kitchen when my gf was in there to take her details.

Door to the bedroom was open but study and bathroom were shut and they didn't try to look in there.

Is this something to be worried about or me being paranoid?

Peace

yes, they use that sort of thing ALL THE TIME!!! It's classic!!!!

That how the run over people rights!! not much you can do, but walk out side and lock the door behind you. Then they got a bit of problem getting in without a warrant. But again hard to say no you can't come in my apt.

You could make up your own little tit for tat the next time and come out lock the door behind you and tell them you Gf was just getting ready to get busy..

That might through them off. You got to learn to be creative. How do you think these serial killers get by with what they do for so long.... I mean think about it...

Yea, I am not blaming you. You did your best.

But man, and this goes to me too. You got to learn to creative, and sometimes that still not going to fly around some power hungry D's(which is what I think they were, they wouldn't have been in plain clothes, I don't buy it...) But it doesn't mean they got anything on you either. But I'd be careful who my "friends" are and who comes over and who you tell you grow ANYTHING, even legal stuff!!!

Edited April 3, 2009 by neo1

[MindExpansion]

Cheers for the advice all, to be honest if they are watching me let them go ahead, i'm not doing anything illegal and I don't have anything illegal, so fuck em.

I don't think it was anything anyway, and as has been said, if they were sus on me for something, walking in and seeing that there was nothing around the house and coming in to find the gf showering and me looking utterly baffled should've made them reconsider having me on the wanted list...or one should hope.

Peace