Guest reville Posted May 1, 2002 I am interested if anyone knows of the use of these plants as worthwhile sources of DMT or as anahuasca additives.I know they contain it - but has it been used? Petalostylis labichioides Petalostylis cassioides Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
t st tantra Posted May 3, 2002 snap,i asked the same question a few days ago and have received no reply. t s t . Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Torsten Posted May 4, 2002 it's obviously time someone tried it Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest reville Posted May 8, 2002 well i know one person who has one. you know who you are.... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Torsten Posted May 8, 2002 if you're talking about me, then sorry, but my plant lost it's ID tag last year and is mixed up with a few other related species with the same problem. I am pretty sure which one it is, but not keen on trying it. I've also got some seed here which I could grow anytime in case there is no one else. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest reville Posted May 9, 2002 Ive got seed too and access to more of both species in the genus. Its not you T though i thought you might. No this person is a little closer to home I havent seen them much maybe theyre lurking. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
t st tantra Posted May 10, 2002 my plants just over 6inches tall now flowering,dont want to butcher them at the moment.have accumilated pipeful of bits,will smoke soon and report. very distinctive plant,should be used more as an ornamental,with its orange flowers with red and yellow 'eye'. where does it occur ,flinders ranges? t s t. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Uncle. S Posted February 16, 2009 my plants just over 6inches tall now flowering,dont want to butcher them at the moment.have accumilated pipeful of bits,will smoke soon and report.very distinctive plant,should be used more as an ornamental,with its orange flowers with red and yellow 'eye'. where does it occur ,flinders ranges? t s t. so i know it was 7 years ago but did anything come of it? still a mysterious plant! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
t st tantra Posted February 16, 2009 small scale testing indicated it was worth more work but i guess its proving difficult to grow. t s t . Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Neoshaman Posted February 18, 2009 small scale testing indicated it was worth more work but i guess its proving difficult to grow. t s t . Petalostylis cassioides ( butterfly Bush) from what i've found on this plant seems to prefer much hotter areas its actiually a recommended garden plant for those living in Alice Springs , N.T areas maybe growth in colder areas could be achieved through controlled condition i.e indoor growing or glasss house type setup I can certainlyy try it in a glasshouse if anyone has some seeds to spare P. labicheoides var. labichioides is apparently found in North eastern NSW so I imagine it would grow quite well in climates similar to A. Nervosa better but may be slightly more viable in other areas Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mr b.caapi Posted February 19, 2009 Ive got seed too and access to more of both species in the genus.Its not you T though i thought you might. No this person is a little closer to home I havent seen them much maybe theyre lurking. Lol, ive been trying to get in contact with him myself Rev, i will let ya know when i do. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rabelais Posted September 16, 2009 Some more discussion? Seems like a little studied example. I recently germinated a handful of labicheoides in soil, they germinated fine but as they broke the soil surface, they lost their cotyledons and quickly died. I then tried a second handful, this time I germinated in paper towel then placed them in soil with success. Slow starters but seem happy enough now. Also seems it will have to be a tubbed, indoor winter specimen in my region... Note: While germinating in paper towel, they gave-off a very strong...scent. www.publish.csiro.au/?act=view_file&file_id=CH9660893.pdfALKALOIDS OF THE AUSTRALIAN LEGUMINOSAE V1 ALKALOIDS OF PETALOSTYLIS LABICHEOIDES VAR. CASSEOIDES BENTH. By S. R. JOHNS. ,J. A.. LAMBERTONa, and A. A. SIOUMISS Badger and Beechaml reported the identification of tetrahydroharman as an alkaloid of Petalostylis labicheoides, a shrub of the family Leguminosae, but they did not identify other bases. We have now examined the alkaloids obtained in 0.4-0.5% yield from a sample of Petalostylis labicheoides var. casseoides Benth, collected near Alice Springs in central Australia, and we find that tryptamine is by far the major component. Three other bases are present in our sample in addition to tryptamine, but in trace amounts only, and of these one is considered on the basis of an examination by thin-layer chromatography and gas chromatography to be NbNb-dimethyltryptamine, while another from similar comparison appears to be tetrahydroharman. Nb-Methyltryptamine could not be detected. A satisfactory comparison of our results with the earlier work of Badger and Beechaml cannot be made because these authors did not specify a yield of either tetrahydroharman or of total bases. Our results suggest however that there may be considerable differences in alkaloid composition between the varieties of P. labicheoides. Tryptamine has been found in a number of leguminous species including Acacia species.2 Experimental Leaves and stems of Petalostylis labicheoides var. casseoides were collected near Alice Springs in October 1965 by Mr G. Chippendale. The ethanol extract of a sample (250 g) of milled dry leaves and stems yielded 1.3 g of total crude alkaloids. The crude bases, which were crystalline, were compared in thin-layer chromatograms with tryptamine, Nb-methyltryptamine, NbNbdimethyltryptamine, and tetrahydroharman on alumina plates which were developed in chloroform/ methanol (9 : 1). The major spot staining with iodine from the alkaloid mixture coincided with that due to tryptamine (RF 0.14) and there were three faint spots at RF 0.55, 0.68, and 0.76. Two spots coincided with those due to dimethyltryptamine (RF 0.76) and tetrahydroharman (RF 0.55). Chromatography on a column of weak neutral alumina gave only trace amounts of material eluted by benzene and banzene/chloroform mixtures, and gas chromatography comparison on a glass column (6 ft by 4 mm internal diameter) packed with 2% S.E.30 on a "Gas Chromatography Support" (80-100 mesh), from Applied Science Laboratories, Inc., showed that the components of these fractions coincided in retention times with il'bNb-dimethyltryptaminaen d tetrahydroharman respectively. The fractions (85-90% of the total bases) eluted by chloroform consisted of colourless crystals which were identified as tryptamine (m.p. and mixed m.p., 115-117"). The infrared and n.m.r. spectra of the alkaloid were identical with those of tryptamine. * Manuscript received December 16, 1965. t Part V, Aust. J. Chem., 1965, 18, 433. 2 Division of Organic Chemistry, CSIRO Chemical Research Laboratories, Melbourne. 1 Badger, G. M., and Beecham, A. F., Nature, 1951, 168, 517. 2 Boit, H.-G., "Ergebnisse der Alkaloid-Chemie bis 1960." p. 477. (Akademie-Verlag: Berlin 1961.) Aust. J. Chem., 1966, 19, 893 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ENtiTY Posted September 16, 2009 "Three other bases are present in our sample in addition to tryptamine,but in trace amounts only, and of these one is considered on the basis of an examination by thin-layer chromatography and gas chromatography to be NbNb-dimethyltryptamine, while another from similar comparison appears to be tetrahydroharman." Shame. Has potential though, might be some treasure to be had in a selective breeding project, possibly, maybe... gotta love genetic diversity that 2 face bitch . Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rabelais Posted September 16, 2009 HarryShame. Affirmative. Cassioides seems the more desirable from what I can gather. The challenge of growing will be enough. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Cubism Posted December 12, 2013 So.....4 years later, has anyone got any more to add on the growing side? I germinated my seeds (Petalostylis Lab.) in a quite sandy mix with a bit of perlite and a little potting mix thrown in. Pretty much every seed germinated, but after producing the dicot leaves, they are starting to become weak it seems. I'm gonna try the paper towel method on the rest of my seeds. Regardless of content, Im quite keen to grow one of these. Not sure why, just drawn to it for some reason Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
IndianDreaming Posted December 12, 2013 (edited) Cubism: I'm no expert, but that sounds like damping off - which is what has happened to me when trying to grow P. harmala in a mix too rich. Many moons ago my P. cas seeds germinated then failed because I kept them too wet and they were in straight, rich potting mix. Your mix sounds good - is it too wet? Edited December 12, 2013 by IndianDreaming 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Cubism Posted December 13, 2013 Thanks for your input mate. Id say you hit the nail on the head. Ive never tried to grow a desert/arid based plant before and I do have a bad habit of giving plants too much attention. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bardo Posted September 7, 2015 So is there any new info on these plants? Has anyone successfully grown these out from seed? I am going to give it ago when herbalistics has seed back in stock or I can source them out from somewhere. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sagiXsagi Posted September 23, 2019 bump... any growing experience in 2019? seeds seem identical with Acacia sp. so I guess similar to Acacia treatment is one idea Share this post Link to post Share on other sites