2007 UK crop circles

[nabraxas]

more here:

http://www.lucypringle.co.uk/

http://www.temporarytemples.co.uk/newweb/index.html

http://www.cropcircleconnector.com/interface2005.htm

[nabraxas]

[Legba]

In 1974 a digitally encoded message was beamed from a Puerto Rico radio telescope out into space by a team of U.S. SETI astronomers. It was sent as a digitized code that can be reconstructed into an image directed to any life forms that could receive this message. This image included information about our Earth civilization with data about our human body chemistry, our DNA, our height and appearance, our population numbers, our solar system with our sun, and our means of transmitting messages into space.

In August of 2001, an answer was returned to us as a Crop Circle for all the world to see. It contained similar information to the one we sent out, from a civilization attempting to communicate with us. To do this, they were somehow able to send their message through a means more advanced than any technology we now possess. In their transmission it appears they say they use telepathy to transmit to us.

As you look at the image here, you will see the comparison between the transmission we sent and the one that is returned to us. Kintan Dunne has described their coded message to us, this way:

First Contact

"Hello Earth. We are replying to your message describing yourselves - which we have understood. We too are a hydrocarbon lifeform with a similar mathematics and logic. We are sending an image of our face which shows us humanoid like you. However we have a slightly different DNA structure and we are smaller than you with larger heads. We inhabit three of the planets in our solar system and one moon.

We did not use a radio telescope to send you this message but a telepathic beam technology. We used a hyperspace capability to intercept your spacetime message and are using hyperspace also to reply."

It is believed they sent this message to us, in the way it had come to them. Not to precisely the same Puerto Rico radio telescope that we transmitted from in 1974, but to another radio telescope. That has the hallmarks of a telepathic communication. Their message was telepathically transmitted to return it to "source". The Earth did it's best to meet those parameters when it used a field beside a radio telescope on which to draw the image. The ET transmission is interacting with our biosphere to draw these glyphs.

This crop circle of an ET face is formed next to a microwave station. This is giving us a clue about how to contact them with our technology. According to Palden Jenkins, microwave systems are ideal because they offer superior high-speed wideband links for video and digital telecommunication signals to and from space. This medium provides services such as cellular phones, television programming and emergency services.

The 2002 crop circle of the ET face contains a disc that appears to be the same format as a DVD or a CD-ROM disc when looked at under high magnification. Looking at it, you would see blocks representing digital bits of information. The blocks of information are organized as a spiral. These can be decoded into letters and then words.

See the message as written HERE.

Source

So, what messages are we sending to ET (who would have grown up by now and probably looks like Alien or predator) with these crop circles?

"Yo' mama kisses sweaty gym shirts"?

"Drop bomb here in 2012"?

"Do you have any psychoactives we dont have here on earth"?

"Take Bacchant with you - he doesnt fit in here."?

[KanJe]

In reference to the original crop circles I really like #2, 4 and the last.

There is just something mesmerising about certain geometry that manages to twitch some mystic nerve I have.

Hey Bacchant, damn you posting in the same minute as me... he he

Really interesting post though mate. I hadn't heard of these events and I am intrigued.

There is an idea where it is considered to be highly unlikely that there are aliens that would share similar enough senses to us that would allow us to communicate.

On the other hand the letter that was posted written by Joan Ocean suggests these particular beings we are communicating with have a similar DNA structure to us. This connection could be interpreted to support the idea that we are related and originally came from other planets anyway.

EDIT:Had to update this post to correspond with Bacchant's post which appeared before mine...

Edited October 4, 2007 by KanJe

[nabraxas]

Are all of these crop circle openly confirmed as man- made?

However, in demonstrations, human teams have struggled to reproduce designs as geometrically complex as many seen in the fields or have taken long hours to produce anything approaching them. Certain formations have been shown to have appeared within very short periods of time and the geometrical calculation and construction required for some simply could not be carried out in one night. Biological anomalies and unreproducable effects such as nodal bending (where the 'knuckles' on stems are bent at strange angles to effect certain shapes in the lay) are always absent from man-made designs.

Some of the patterns have shown breathtaking symbolic qualities. In 1994, for instance, several galaxy-shaped glyphs displayed a conjunction of planets over the star constellation Cetus as it would be in April 2000, and in 1995 an accurate diagram of the Earth's inner solar system was discovered. However, despite these few shapes which appear to denote dates and astronomical conjunctions, most others remain obscure and are open to interpretation, seeming to reflect multi-cultural symbolism.

Work by laboratories on circle-affected crop has shown biological changes taking place at a cellular level, suggesting the involvement of microwave energy. Other physical tests have shown anomalies not yet replicated by man-made experiments. These, together with the lights, eye-witness accounts, reports of malfunctioning electronic equipment and health effects on people visiting circles, suggest the phenomenon should be looked at far more closely.

Scientific tests: Work by W C Levengood, a respected Michigan-based biophysicist, has shown notable biological changes taking place inside circle-laid stalks, which could be attributable to some kind of microwave energy. No man-made demonstration formation has ever produced these results, yet the majority of the hundreds of crop circles sampled have proved positive in this regard. LevengoodÕs papers have been published in scientific journals and his work has been replicated by other laboratories working with the US-based BLT Research organisation. In 1995, tests on crop formation soil samples were conducted by ADAS, a division of the English Ministry of Agriculture. Although preliminary, they showed distinct anomalies in the nitrogen/nitrate ratios which could not be explained. There have been other scientific tests carried out by different bodies over the years which have produced peculiar unexplained qualities.

Strange effects: There have been many reported effects on people's health, sometimes of cures, sometimes of ailments, which have come on while within crop circles. Animals sometimes behave strangely in crop formations. Electronic and mechanical equipment, videos, cameras and even combine harvesters have also been known to malfunction in very odd ways, far above the average one would expect from chance.

http://www.swirlednews.com/crop.asp

Edited October 4, 2007 by nabraxas

[MORG]

I love them. Mathematical artworks, many of them

Yes, they were confirmed to have been man-made many years ago but by then the paranormal-people had adopted the "phenomenon" and circle-tourists, circle-experts, diviners and hacks of all kinds were visiting them, writing and pontificating about them.

Well, after they were told the circles were engineered (from the very people who had done it) it just pushed them into denial. As is most often the case, the explanation that their beliefs were based on falsehood just pushed the believers to more fervently believe and start amassing "evidence" that people were incapable of constructing these.

I love the story. I think it has alot to say about belief, the supernatural, scepticism and human psychology as well as the beautiful images of the circles themselves. I hope people continue to make them for many years to come.

Two of my fav circle-sites:

http://www.circlemakers.org/

http://www.cropcircle-archive.com/

"Take Bacchant with you - he doesnt fit in here."?

Haha. You're a funny bugger Bacchy.

[nabraxas]

Well, after they were told the circles were engineered (from the very people who had done it) it just pushed them into denial. As is most often the case, the explanation that their beliefs were based on falsehood just pushed the believers to more fervently believe and start amassing "evidence" that people were incapable of constructing these.

veteran crop circle researcher Colin Andrew estimates that up to 80 percent of them are probably manmade, however, there are peculiarities to "genuine" crop circles, researchers say, that cannot be created or hoaxed by humans. Here is some of their "best evidence":

Placement. While most crop circles can be found in readily accessible fields, some are not. Some have been found within restricted areas, according to "Peculiarities of Crop Circles" - "numerous accounts of crop circles appearing inside military installations that are fenced off (quite securely!) from the surrounding area. Most notably in Wiltshire along the Salisbury Plain." This article also points out that several crop circles have been formed away from the farmer's tram lines, which makes it very difficult for the circle makers to hide evidence of their presence.

Changes to Plants

Weaving. Researchers have long contended that the plants in genuine circles are weaved together in a particular way when they are flattened. Hoaxers have supposedly not been able to duplicate this pattern. "The plants are masterfully overlapping each other, and gently spiking into the standing crop in a spoke effect creating the circle," says Urn Greene at "Crop Circles: Fingerprints of the Gods?". "This is an effect that is not achieved by simply stomping on the plants with a board and or a garden roller, two tools commonly used by hoaxers to create fakes."

Elongated nodes. Joseph E. Mason at "Arguments Against the Hoax Theory of Crop Circles" says that there is a distinct difference between crops that are bent in genuine circles and those bent by hoaxers. With photos to support his claim, Mason says: "The bent node of the plant from inside a [genuine] crop formation is elongated yet undamaged. Plant stems bent by people via mechanical means appear damaged and do not have the elongated nodes."

Blown nodes. Many plants inside genuine circles also have "blown nodes," according to Mason.

Dried ground. The soil beneath crop circles often appears inexplicably dehydrated, even after heavy rain.

Increased size. Dr. Eltjo H. Haselhoff, Ph.D., a former employee of Los Alamos National Laboratories, noted these alterations in crop circle plants in his research: "It was discovered that the plant stems inside these formations had increased in diameter, as an effect of intensive heating, with an astonishing circular symmetry. Moreover, this effect perfectly matched the radiation pattern of an electromagnetic point source at a height of four meters and ten centimeters above that field." This finding, he says, supports the contention that the formations were created by the "balls of light" (see below) that witnesses have claimed to see at crop circles.

Bent unbendable plants. Some plants just should not be able to be bent, say some researchers. "Crop circle formations often appear in canola (oil seed rape) fields," says Joseph Mason. "This plant has a consistency like celery. If the stalk is bent more than about 45-degrees, it snaps apart. Yet, in a 'genuine' crop circle formation, the stalks are often bent flat at 90-degrees. No botanist or other scientist has been able to explain this, nor has it ever been duplicated by a human being."

Altered seeds. Tests by some researchers have shown that seeds planted from crops that were part of crop circles grow abnormally. "Biophysical Effects found in Crop Formation Plants" by BLT Research says that the seed-heads (barley) from the 1992 formation at Barbury Castle are "stunted and seedless." Some crop circle plants also produce seeds that are noticeably smaller than normal plants.

Crop yield. At the other end of the spectrum, "Peculiarities of Crop Circles" says that some farmers have experienced increased crop yield in fields in which formations have appeared: "In 1997, Tim Carson who farms East Field (where the 'DNA' formation appeared in 1996) reported to researchers that his yield was up 30-40%."

Cellular changes. There are microscopic changes as well, Joseph Mason says, and provides photos that show the differences. It isn't explained what the differences mean, however. BLT Research also shows photos that depict an unexplained cell wall enlargement in a crop circle wheat plant.

Effects on equipment. Researchers claim that their electronic equipment is often affected when they are examining crop circles. "There have been numerous reports of electronic equipment failing in crop circles and compasses spinning out of control in and over the crop circles (when flying over in aircraft)," according to "Peculiarities of Crop Circles". "This range of equipment includes watches, mobile phones, batteries, cameras. No explanations for these occurrences, other than the indication of a strong EM field distortions."

EM measurements. Longtime crop circle investigator Colin Andrews says he has recorded electromagnetic (EM) measurements of 40-50 nano Teslas at the centers of some formations, which he says is 10 times the radiation level of a normal field.

Strange sounds. Researchers say they have sometimes detected an unexplained sound at 5KHz frequency emanating from crop circles for just a few days after they are formed. "This corresponds to reports of eyewitnesses who often claim to hear a 'trilling' sound coming from the direction of the formations," says "Peculiarities of Crop Circles".

Radioactive isotopes. In 1991, two American nuclear physicists, Michael Chorost and Marshall Dudley, applied their expertise to crop circle research. "After subjecting a number of seed and soil samples to rigorous lab analysis," according to Freddy Silva's article, "Analysis of Crop-Circle Affected Crops and Soil," "their main discovery was that the soil in genuine formations contained no less than four, short-lived radioactive isotopes - vanadium, europium, tellurium and ytterbium. Tests conducted on soil from the Beckhampton July 31 formation yielded alpha emissions 198% above control samples, beta emissions 48% above, both of which seemed 'strikingly elevated,' since they were two to three times as radioactive as soil from outside the formation." Analyzed DNA samples from plants in another circle were found to be considerably more degraded than that of surrounding plants.

http://paranormal.about.com/library/weekly/aa021802b.htm

[Vertmorpheus]

Call me old fashioned (might as well, since I'm younger than half of yez)... something about intricate patterns burnt into far flung rural areas, circular motions, cattle mutilation, abductions and the mandatory probings (I think a lot of abductions and OBE and dream phenomena has much to do with your experiences of being handled as a small baby, but anyway)... I reckon if it IS aliens, they are certainly the hillbilly circleworkin doughiedoin monaro driving variety. They probably just come down here to get stoned and feel up their girlfriends while checking the view! makes perfect sense. The earth was once their chop bowl , til it got full of ants, or somek ind of mould...out of stoned benevolence they decided to let the mould grow... and here we are. They just drop by now n then to show off their favourite trick.... nailing your spaceship straight at the Earth and seeing who brakes last. Hey presto.. big picture of Elvis!

Slightly (only slightly) more interesting is that idea that what you see is a 3d phenomena bisected by a flat plane. As i said, only slightly. My actual theory (today) is that it's just all the interactions of different fields of energy thru the earth, geomagnetic etc, in combination with atmospheric whatnots and however close the moon is, etc (you know the drill).. occasionally means that shit is just lined up well enough to pack a serious punch but ONLY for a second and then everything goes out of whack again, and life goes on. Ball lightning is some of the scariest and most unnatural natural phenomena, describing it to people that havent personally seen it earns you the Look of Patient Disbelief most of the time. maybe paddocks, being nice and "bland" (having been smashed into tiny bits and dragged around, mixed up, levelled out, evenly fertilised etc) just provides a nice parchment for this natural artwork to show up on... like the screen of an etchasketch. Hence the fractal correlations.. just nature doing its best to dissipate a massive if temporary amount of energy. I'd like to see how the earth under circles differs... dig em out as deep as they are wide, in fine layers, and have a look at what the mineral dispersion etc is getting up to down there now. Tiny circles might form and get obliterated by more random events all the time, but who is going to notice em in the middle of the arctic, under a forest, etc. Like now n then we find something that looks like jesus n all the godbotherers wet themselves...at any one time there might be BILLIONS of things that look a bit like JC, but they dont always appear in the middle of easily swayed communities ;)

Not sure why circles overall seem to be getting bigger and more blatant... that alien head looks like A grade bullshit to me. Very nicely done, but lets face it we could dodge up some piccies right now and post them all over circle sites... they'd just be stoked at this sudden rash of the phenomena in Australia, and thrillled to have so many widespread witnesses in perfect agreement as to what we saw ;) Another classic thing is that enormous Aborigine with the hunting spear that popped up in the middle of nowhere, in WA I think. Though I think they might have "caught" someone for that by now.

I'm curious as to why any legit envoys from alien supercivilisations would come ALL that way just to leave a post it note. Surely they'd want a chinwag with the locals? If they can respond to that atari like message as shown above, why wouldn't they just fill in the blanks, or use their circle makin remote tech, to just tell us all "oh hey guys, Ramonians here from sector 6... our hobbies include winemaking, giraffe racing and anything with robin williams in it... we really must catch up some time, why the last time we saw you guys you were knee high to a bonobo!". Why fuck about? You wouldn't drive from Syd to Bris just to leave a cryptic note on your aunties wall... or maybe you would, its not for me to assume.

Always interesting, as Billy Conolly pointed out, to see just what kind of people superadvanced deities and intergalactic minds choose to communicate with!

VM

Edited October 5, 2007 by Vertmorpheus

[PD.]

Maybe aliens dont "travel" the way we see it and maybe this way of commnication is common for them and they are looking at us thinking, "wtf, why dont they get it".

Maybe its a large team of mathematicians and skilled labourers creating these masterpieces and they are looking at us and laughing, "they will never get it".

Either way, doesnt make a great deal of difference to me as they are beautiful creations whos creator should be applauded.

[Conan Troutman]

I think that great social commentator Bill Hicks said it best...

I'll tell you, too, that's starting to depress me about UFO's, about the fact that they cross galaxies, or wherever they come from to visit us, and always end up in places like Fife, Alabama. Maybe these are not super-intelligent beings, man. Maybe they're like hillbilly aliens. Some intergalactic Joad family or something. "Don't you all want to land in New York, or L.A.?" "Nah, we just had a long trip, we gonna kick back and whittle some." Oh, my God, they're idiots. "We're gonna enter our mothership in the tractor pull!" My God, we're being invaded by rednecks. My biggest fear. Last thing I want to see is a flying saucer up on blocks in front of some trailer, you know? Wouldn't that be depressing? Some bumper sticker on it - "They'll get my ray gun when they pry my cold, dead, eighteen-fingered hand off of it."

[Vertmorpheus]

Very true... some of em are simply stunning, however they are made and whoever makes em... makesme wonder why the makers of the best ones don't seem to be bragging in true human style.

Good god CT, you mean Bill Hicks is at least as silly as I am? Cept I have one distinct advantage (for the moment at least)

Maybe they are alien tags... not so much hillbillies in antique GTR's, just enormously panted individuals from the Planet Westfield that drop by in the intergalactic equiv of a much abused skyline, leave some cryptic but occasionally oddly captivating mark and piss off home. Maybe they can only pull it off with a certain amount of skill n timing, like paint people attacking passenger trains... so more points for more intricate/larger works? Hence why they like leaving the good ones behind massive fences with guard dogs, beside bustling motorways or just way out in the middle of nowhere to show a bit of range and mobility.

That being said, a big fence is only as effective as its watchers (if any).. if well intentioned systemopaths from Dayboro can get into Pine Gap, I'm sure any alien Billy Bobs can pull it off too.

I still think there has to be an element of prankster in the artists, wherever they are from. Would be a bit presumptuous to assume only humans in all the universe have a sense of humour.

Keep watching the sky

VM

[ajna]

always been fascinated by crop circles, there's obviously gonna be some hoaxers out there but all the 'bent unbendable plant' business has led me to believe there's a true phenomenon amongst them too. not necessarily messages from out of space (although the atari msg and reply is interesting, has that particular one been 'verified' by the bent unbendables?), could def be an earth born phenomenon too, mother nature's got a few tricks up her sleeve that still leave us all stumped.

i've certainly entertained the idea that they are space born tho, my attempted explanation as to why this type of 'contact' and not anything more tangible is that there could well be 'universal codes of conduct' that we aren't aware of as inhabitants of merely a single planet - for example it may not be permitted to land on and have a yarn with planets still collectively unaware of life in space, since every time they've done it previously it created havok for the inhabitants. perhaps by sending these seemingly cryptic but mesmerising messages they're testing our cognitive abilities, when we are able to decode the message and accept there's life in space (without wanting to shoot nukes at them), we'll be ready for real contact.

i dunno, but i'd love to check one out for myself

*sings "space is the place" by Sun Ra*

Edited October 6, 2007 by ajna

[jasemateau]

their just fantastic!!!!!

sort of like optical illusions, and clearly with a messeage.

so get bent and work it out humans!!!!!!

[nabraxas]

always end up in places like Fife, Alabama.

Dunno if you noticed, but all those circles come from the county ov Wiltshire. This is the county ov Salsbury, Stonehenge & Glastonbury. It's one ov the most beautiful & archaeologically/architecturally significant areas in the UK.

With the average house cost at £199,625 you might still find a few yokels but it's pretty far from red-necked, cousin-lovin', stick-whittlin' territory.

[Vertmorpheus]

True enough.... nevertheless, very few abductee reports are from investment bankers when they could be comin from night shift working meat cutters, or the like. Maybe hillbillies just spend more time outside at night?

theory still stands... thats why if you read most aussie new age or pseudoscience mags the addies for further info from various groups are places like murwillimbah, mullimbimby, mt nebo, esk, crows nest, etc... yes you can buy a nice place in any of those locations... but the saucer folk and the bearded ones certainly seem to know where to find a captive audience!

Intergalactic code of conduct where noone can land on anyone elses planet in case it upsets them... any chance we canget a copy of that code and make it stick in regard to telemarketers?

VM

[ajna]

heh

"these primative beings are still allowing themselves to be hindered by telemarketing pests!"

"yes, obviously got a while to go before they're ready to be a part of the intergalactic community. let's drop a tag and check back later"

(if ya haven't already VM, put your number on this list. i haven't been bothered since! - https://www.donotcall.gov.au/)

[Sparkster]

I think the freemasons are to blame....

[nabraxas]

you need to drop the bracket, try:

https://www.donotcall.gov.au/

[MrBumpy]

https://www.donotcall.gov.au/

Be prepared to be bombarded by charity telemarketing calls for the first month or so.

-bumpy

[Ace]

While crop circles (CCs) look awesome (I've been fascinated by them since I was about yay high *points to knees*), I have extreme doubts as to them being anything more than your average hoax. The earliest record of a CC was apparently a wood cut of 'The Mowing Devil', from the 17th century - a strange figure cutting circlular patterns in a field of oats (info HERE) . A lot of the 'verified' ones that are just 'too complicated' for us primitive humans are not that different to the stock standard hoax ones. Sure, they dont crack the stems of the crops and other mysterious things, but I'm sure with a little insider technique it'd only take one or two bodgy crop circles before you had them dialed to look reasonably 'genuine'.

People have been making them in their own fields (and their mates) to provide a little extra income for ages (so I have read some years back), though it would have all started with a simple prank/hoax - anything that will bring in some cash-laden tourists with a bit of curiosity for ET action. With practice and planning comes some beautiful CC's that are so intricate that they are 'too complicated' for your average bloke to pull off and they make the news or at least a website full of conspiracy nuts and the whatdya know - them tourists keep coming to check them out.

All these things that somehow verify a CC would probably be found elsewhere that has never had an old bloke and his mates making crop art in the middle of the night. Things like 'elongated nodes', 'dryness of the earth', 'increased size', 'altered seeds', 'radioactive isotopes' etc, etc are all pretty natural and would probably be quite common if enough other un-CC'ed places were tested too. I guess its not that different to mycology - there is always a new type of shroom to be found where there is an active mycologist, just as there are more things that 'verify' CCs where there are conspiracy nuts.

People say that they are just too complicated for humans, but look at what we are capable of! A couple intricate patterns in a crop of corn or whatever really isnt that complicated. They might look it to your average uneducated person but then again, a computer probably would too if you'd never seen or heard of one before... Its all an insider sort of thing IMO - no different to stage magic. A good magician never shares his/her secrets because once the truth is out there, the magic is gone.

And on the off chance they are signals from an alien life form, well, it doesnt really matter much at this point - we have been actively trying to make contact with ETs for a few decades (see HERE for info on SETI [search for Extra-Terrestrial Intelligence]), still with no luck. If the only way ETs can contact us is thru some corn fields, it could be some time before we can converse with them about the origins of the universe or life in far away galaxies or even parallel universes and the like...

Still, they are truly beautiful works of art, whoever makes them I still quite like seeing the intricate patterns and amazing detail that goes into them - some can be truly mind blowing, even if they were only made by a humble farmer who was suspiciously sleepy the next day

[nabraxas]

we have been actively trying to make contact with ETs for a few decades (see HERE for info on SETI [search for Extra-Terrestrial Intelligence]), still with no luck.

The Wow! signal was a strong, narrowband radio signal detected by Dr. Jerry R. Ehman on August 15, 1977 while working on a SETI project at the Big Ear radio telescope of Ohio State University. The signal bore expected hallmarks of potential non-terrestrial and non-solar system origin. It lasted for 72 seconds, the full duration Big Ear observed it, but has not been detected again. It has been the focus of attention in the mainstream media when talking about SETI results.

Amazed at how closely the signal matched the expected signature of an interstellar signal in the antenna used, Ehman circled the signal on the computer printout and wrote the comment "Wow!" on its side. This comment became the name of the signal.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wow!_signal

[Ace]

Appologies - scratch 'no luck' and replace with 'not much luck'

Ehman has stated his doubts that the (Wow!) signal is of intelligent extraterrestrial origin: "We should have seen it again when we looked for it 50 times. Something suggests it was an Earth-sourced signal that simply got reflected off a piece of space debris."

[ethnodude]

if crop circles are all man made i find that even more amazing then if they were made by some kind of external source. some are simply to brilliant to be the work of man. if they are man made it shows the power each human has to change the world.

my gut tells me they are blueprints of energy fields that are radiating throughout the universe. people have sensed these energy fields throughout the ages but attatchment to ego has eroded that ability.

perhaps this is why they are now surfacing as physical forms to break down ego and put doubt into the mind of the skeptic.

[Zen Peddler]

Their perfection, complexity and the fact that often appear over night in some of shortest nights on the calender makes believe there is something going on with them. But why choose to communicate through this medium? Could it by just more oddities from the John Keel's Cosmic Tricksters like Indrid Cold and crew??

[Guest RedHead]

"It is believed they sent this message to us, in the way it had come to them. Not to precisely the same Puerto Rico radio telescope that we transmitted from in 1974, but to another radio telescope. That has the hallmarks of a telepathic communication. Their message was telepathically transmitted to return it to "source". The Earth did it's best to meet those parameters when it used a field beside a radio telescope on which to draw the image. The ET transmission is interacting with our biosphere to draw these glyphs."

yeah but the fact this crop circle ended up right next to a few guys that knew what the 1974 radio message looked like is just too sus. its an "in" joke. "Hey Al- did you fall asleep - look the fuck out the window man -"

Still, having said that I just have to be a "believer" because I have NEVER seen some smartarse somewhere come out with a vid for one of these complex artworks showing how it was done. Not one youtube vid. Sure a few crappy little things but not one of the real works. That's just not human nature.

Personally I think its timetravellers taking the piss.

Edited October 15, 2007 by RedHead