I want to come back

[ramon]

so my advice,though a mortal one, is to let things flow and not try to grasp

sagely advice for every situation

[Guest onemind]

Hi Ajna,

I thought I was?

Just because i dont want to be preached at by yet another muslim doesn't mean i have an attitude problem. I have learnt a great deal from dmt users here and am finally starting to open up to what they teach. I appreciate Sobrquet trying to save me from my own demise ect ect but i am not interested in teachings of guilt, fear and submission.

I think monotheism is a meme and it is not one i am interested in discussing. I am interested in the psychedelic experience and shamanism so i am on shaman australis forum and not islam forum.

I doesn't matter where i go, yesterday i had jehovas witnesses at the door, muslims on my tv and internet and jews with their own version of the story. I'm not interested for god sake, thanks but no thanks, leave me alone.

[ramon]

Don't see anything in the previous discussion that was preaching based upon any of the afore mentioned faiths.

[ajna]

I doesn't matter where i go, yesterday i had jehovas witnesses at the door, muslims on my tv and internet and jews with their own version of the story. I'm not interested for god sake, thanks but no thanks, leave me alone.

oh man tell me about it! just yesterday we had this so called "Buddhist" trying to tell us all he had worked out DMT! can you believe that? LOL what a fucking fool!

i think i've had enough of this nonsense, take a step back and listen for a while mate.

[Guest onemind]

Read the subtle hints of Sobriquets posts. He is not a dmt user, is not interested in its lessons and has his own agenda which i have politely declined on numerous occasions.

[Guest onemind]

oh man tell me about it! just yesterday we had this so called "Buddhist" trying to tell us all he had worked out DMT! can you believe that? LOL what a fucking fool

You guys really cant get over that can you? How many times in this thread have i said i am wrong and dont know what i'm talking about? I see i am on my own here and will explore this stuff without all the propaganda that comes with it.

i think i've had enough of this nonsense, take a step back and listen for a while mate.

Listen to who though? Do you think everybody else knows better than you or something? If i followed your way i would be listening to muslims all day long but surely there comes a time where you have to draw the line and take it or leave it. I have listened to many people here, but i would be a fool to listen to them all because they all contradict each other.

And as far as i am conserned, i am not buddhist.

[No_One]

if you really want to work at getting to the bottom of something, how about you start with the root cause of this attitude problem

Three cheers for Ajna: Hip Hip.........Hooray (x3)

Onemind, realise your only just scratching the surface of something bigger than any of us can fathom. You're treading on a lot good peoples toes here at the moment with your claims and statements so I'd rain it in a bit if I were you. Work out what you aim to achieve from your "interest in the psychedelic experience and shamanism", it's not a like some seminar you attend for the weekend and instantly become certified.

[Guest onemind]

Yes, i have an attitude problem. I have admitted to that fact many times on this thread as well as the fact that i am making no claims at understanding what dmt is really all about. Its just like all the other religous forums, everyone likes you when your open minded but as soon as you dont believe in their god or their truth they turn on you.

Onemind, realise your only just scratching the surface of something bigger than any of us can fathom

I do realise that, which is why i am looking into it further. If i already had it figured out i wouldn't need to ask all these questions.

Work out what you aim to achieve from your "interest in the psychedelic experience and shamanism",

I aim to achieve greater understanding, wisdom, contentment and happiness which is better than my usual blind, ignorant fearful state.

it's not a like some seminar you attend for the weekend and instantly become certified

After the other nights journey to hell, i realise that.

[sobriquet]

Hi onemind,

I have tried to tell you that one of your biggest weaknesses is of making assumptions. Assuming I'm all sorts of things when I tell you the contrary. In your paranoia you've even believed that I am an anti-drugs campaigner. I am none of what you have assumed.

Your error is especially manifest when you consider that I said to you that I accept no religion or sect of any religion new or old. That I believe every man stands for themselves and must find their own path. That no 'clubs' or religious affiliations can help him. That exclusion and exclusivity are the price humanity pays for all these wrong doctrinal religions created by men.

And I ask you to review your statements regarding Jehova's Witnesses, Muslims, Jews, etc. and realise that there should be no room for hatred. There should be no excuses for hatred in that way. Truth should always be able to stand up to falsehood; and if you believe you have the truth then you should not be afraid of testing your ideas against them.

Your own frustration, faced with a post that is appropriate to the title of the sub-forum 'spirituality and philosophy' is telling. I don't believe anyone has told you what to do in these very reasonable replies you've been getting in response to your posts. Consider them as food for thought rather than an affront to your positions.

You know less about me than what you believe you know, and yet in your mind you have created many straw men which you are bashing in a futile way. Don't assume

Peace.

[Guest onemind]

Hi Sobriquet,

All of what you said is fair enough but you really do confuse me. You drop hints like quoting the quran, talk about mathematicians, ketamine and all sorts then at the end of it say, i am warning you about the dangers of drugs.

This is a dmt thread about its use and effects and i am not sure what any of your posts mean in regards to dmt.

I agree with you that the truth isnt in a club or book and that leaves me only with meditation and dmt as they are the only 2 things that let me crack the nut of life and let me see below the surface. Your advice of just collecting bananas goes against every part of the search. I think there is no truth to be found in being a wage slave for middle class consumerism.

Even if i had a mansion on the beach and 3 sports cars, dmt would still be far more interesting.

I apologise if i offended you with my assumptions about you and you are right, i dont know you but your not exactly revealing yourself which means i will probaly never know you. And just telling me to avoid dmt when i am getting other messages to smoke and learn isnt really helping matters

And I ask you to review your statements regarding Jehova's Witnesses, Muslims, Jews, etc. and realise that there should be no room for hatred.

Of course not, i dont hate them, i just dont want anything to do with them. They are all human just like me but i think for as long as they try to convert me i will have no choice but to ignore them.

Unless you have a better alternative to dmt for seeking truth then i am afraid that i will have to ignore your warnings in the most polite and friendly way.

[apothecary]

I have a hundred angry things to say right now.

Instead:

PLEASE DO NOT FEED THE TROLL.

[Guest onemind]

wow

[MORG]

He he, this thread is a wank in the dirt.

[Guest onemind]

ok

[Auxin]

[Guest onemind]

[Green Osiris]

Onemind:

……..Thats the thing, i dont think it has to be one or the other. Look at Thimothy Leary. He used LSD at least once a week for years, it didn't disable him, it didnt weaken him, if anything, it made him more open, more energetic and from that state, collecting bananas would be easier than the normal, boxed in, stressed out animal cut off from the big mind of nature……….

So are you saying that a mindset, regardless of how one gets there, possesses a more positive capacity in which to exist as their own individualistic being ? Cos you seemed to say something different earlier in this very thread, that being:

Onemind:

……..its just that there a heaps of those genius types that end up going crazy and it always seems to be mathematicians. Maybe they are the next step of human evolution but someone of my status simply can't relate to these people…….

Define “going crazy”. Many of the most colourful figures in artistic modern art history might be considered ‘genuis crazy’ by mainstream consciousness. Did Hendrix, Clapton, Jethro Tull, Shpongle (RR&SP), TOOL, Dali, Escher, Bosch, Rob Reiner, David Lynch, Tarantino fit into a status that you can relate to ? The aforementioned aren’t the next step in human evolution, this is purely a modern history of crazy genius (transposition noted).

Leary took a more psuedo-spiritual path to LSD, all the while the Keysey Acid-Test project was simultaneously traversing the country with a psychedelic concept that also changed the world. Onemind, if you were to read up on the birth of mind-bending drugs (taken ’recreationally’) in western society, would you fall more into the Leary camp, or the Ken Keysey one ?

Peace,

Jase

PS: My new CD of “The Stooges-Funhouse” kicks arse!

Big Brother & the Holding Company will be my follow-up from this record

[Guest onemind]

Onemind, if you were to read up on the birth of mind-bending drugs (taken ’recreationally’) in western society, would you fall more into the Leary camp, or the Ken Keysey one ?

I guess i will have to read up on it first before i can answer that, i'll get back to you.

As for the crazy genius thing, my view is that intelligence isnt a key factor on living free and happy with knowledge of nature. I think one of my buddhist teachers said it best. He said, when he was living at cambridge university, the tradition was that the professors would dine with the students so the young minds were exposed to intelligence during every part of their education. He studied theoretical physics in the same classes as steven hawking. He said, when he looked at these highly intelligent people, he saw nothing but relationship problems, emotional problems, depression and even suicide. His observation was that he was surrounded by some of the worlds greatest minds and they were a bunch of hopeless neurotics. After graduation he flew to thailand and ordained under one of thailands greatest monks. Here was a highly intelligent physicist from cambrige studying under a buffalo farmer.

His teacher, the buffalo farmer had far greater understanding of life, smiled, laughed and lived at peace with himself, meanwhile, all the geniuses that western society places so much faith in were going nuts.

The point is, you cant think your way to truth, you just be truth. Wisdom comes from being, not thinking. So yeah, i dont place much stock in these mathematicians and crazy geniuses because i think they are caught in a trap of over specialised evolution. All intelligence is, is a more genetically capable brain, more complex neural nets ect ect all of which block out the greater mind that is accessed via letting go.

Not sure if thats what you are after but that is my definition of why crazy geniuses aren't necissarily wise or on the verge of truth.

[botanika]

Buddhism... it seems is being tossed around like a prostitute in a Motley Crue hotel room at the moment. No-one really knows where the love is. The best line I ever got from buddhist teachings (zen) is 'always be the beginner' and we are ALL beginners.

Balance. If you want the world you will get the worlds best and worst. Everyone, genius and normal people alike, usually have problems because they have more fun doing what they love (music, science, war, monolopoly, whatever) than they do with their surroundings (love, friendship, happiness). Its like wavelengths - push the gain too much and it will distort into Htz we're probably not supposed to deal with and perhaps not everyone will like it. You'll be clipped somewhere along the line, but if you just adjust the gain you'll here the notes, music and maybe even some cool dirty distortion again. But if you stay too straight and passive, no-one will ever hear you.

Now this is just my opinion but great people know when to use the volume knob. Because to me happiness is not 11 or 0...its 5...occasionally boosting to 10 when needed and occasionally settling down to 1 when needed. When do you know when to hit 10 and 1 and 5? Practice. What's practice? Being here now and giving it a go.

Edited December 21, 2006 by botanika

[The Dude]

Seriously dude all these crazy geniuses although maybe defficient in the ways of living comfortably amongst other people are seeing one of the more profound truths there are, when discovering a new law of physics or what have you and at that moment being the first to see another closer to the truth image of god, that is that divine shit that makes shit.. shit. or be.. or whatever the fuck.

and i like feeding the troll, y get upset, just cuz onemind seems to be filled with some kind of anger, it need not rub off on any of us, and really i hate that kind of distracting with puppies it seemss to happen when some1 starts to get a bit offended or says not the most PC of things. Onemind acts as a rude bastard at times, but really we shouldnt feel bad that he lowers himself to labelling and name calling and assuming, these are his flaws not ours.. um i love this condescending chastising sort of talk im doin now eh.

My point is although these geniuses are often out of the greater social loop and may indeed be unhappy, they are a beautiful part of our consciousness and should be appreciated for what they bring to us, how they enrich our own understanding. Artists likewise are often depressed shitheads but we like to appreciate their shit. I'd say that their visions or discoveries are closer to 'THE TRUTH' than your ideas that buddhism is the ultimate path to happiness, fat lot of good it seems to be doing you..maybe im assuming, i dont know. So r u or arent u a buddhist now?.. by YOUR definition.

[Guest onemind]

Seriously dude all these crazy geniuses although maybe defficient in the ways of living comfortably amongst other people are seeing one of the more profound truths there are

Maybe, or maybe not. western ego seems to have an obsession with being the first to discover something and these first guys get medals and prizes and fame. If some people get off on that then that is up to them. Supposedly shamans could see the dna structure while tripping yet watson and crick get the credit

And the other thing is, even when these crazy geniuses come up with some new branch of mathematics or solve some conjecture, even their proofs are beyond the limits of the layman. I dont know about you but i have trouble getting my head around perelmans proof of the poincare conjecture and even if i did understand it i doubt it would make me happy.

and i like feeding the troll, y get upset, just cuz onemind seems to be filled with some kind of anger, it need not rub off on any of us,

Exactly, but i dont think i am trolling here. I may be just some kind of angry guy with unresolved issues but i am not going out of my way here to hurt people. I just speak my mind then people start crying at me. I think lsd could be the cure for that, who knows.

really i hate that kind of distracting with puppies

Yeah, but really stare at it.

Onemind acts as a rude bastard at times, but really we shouldnt feel bad that he lowers himself to labelling and name calling and assuming

Onemind is a rude bastard but i dont lower myself to labeling him and calling him names. hehe

these are his flaws not ours

Oh, but they are all our flaws, you just cant admit to them. Please dont take that holier than thou attitude with me because we both know you are kidding yourself.

um i love this condescending chastising sort of talk im doin now eh.

Dont we all

they are a beautiful part of our consciousness and should be appreciated for what they bring to us, how they enrich our own understanding

I Am not saying i dont appreciate them, i just dont hang on their every word and look to them for all the answers. I think mankind has been exposed to the truth for centuries, but not through thought, our brains are just catching up with reality thats all..

[Guest onemind]

Buddhism... it seems is being tossed around like a prostitute in a Motley Crue hotel room at the moment.

Just thought i would add this one last thing before i go to bed to prevent more of these onemind is no buddhist kind of comments. I have spent time in buddhist monasteries, read the pali canon front to back, meditate and discuss buddhism regularly and consider myself a buddhist because i agree with the buddhas observation of the universe.

Now, when it comes right down to it, i am a shit buddhist. I break the precepts, i drink wine, use drugs, dont practice right speech and the list goes on. I have had a shaky relationship with my buddhist community because of my controversial ways especially my dmt use. They even kicked me out of the forum that i was the moderator of. In spite of all that, i still agree that everything is impermanent, nonself and dukkha. For some crazy reason, i am human and have faults and cant live up to my ideals and am no saint so please, you dont need to remind me of it because I KNOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Sorry, i just had to get that off my chest, on with the show..

[komodo]

I may be just some kind of angry guy with unresolved issues

onemind: do you think you may be seeking an outlet or therapy here then, by starting a thread about yourself and then sticking to your passive-aggressive guns? it seems to me that there are a lot of good ideas floating around about your various predicaments but not many sinking in, so if you arent looking for advice with this thread, and you arent trolling, what are you doing?

[Guest onemind]

I am having a converstation.

I dont think every person i meet on the internet is a qualified psychiatrist and tend to take their advice with a grain of salt. The wisest ones here have revealed themselves and i have learnt much from them

I just dont care much for small talk, political correctness or walking on egg shells.

[botanika]

I'll replay my fav quote of all time 'It doesn't matter who wins or looses in life, nor how you play the game - its about turning up and giving it a go in your own style. The winner can't win without the others turning up, the losers can't improve without seeing the champ and the spectators cant enjoy the game without any of it. Its all about enjoying the swing.'