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In my peerusal of the NT Supreme court judgements and sentencing notes I came across a sentence that got stuck in my head. It went something like:

"...and he was also found in possession of a book detailing the manufacture of amphetamines, which in itself carries a maximum penalty of 7 years."

The case was mostly about the fact this dude got busted with drugs, and I was concentrating on the drug details rather than other crimes committed at the same time, so I did not bother noting this down at the time. A little while later it dawned on me that I should probably share this with you folks.

I have no idea if there is a similar law in other states, but I would not be surprised. I wonder how far this goes? Books on growing pot? Cactus cultivation books? or just books on meth and ecstasy? anyone know more about this?

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sounds exactly like Hitler:

Seven years jail for owning a book, whatever book it maybe.

Ridiculous...

Do people go to jail that long for owning snuff movies or books?

I doubt it very much...

fuck this sort of justice!

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Do people go to jail that long for owning snuff movies or books?

I found this interesting:

Table 1: Child pornography possession offences

Jurisdiction Provision Year Maximum penalty

ACT s 65, Crimes Act 1900 1991 5 years

NSW s 578B, Crimes Act 1900 1995 2 years/100 penalty units

NT s 125B, Criminal Code 1996 2 years/$20,000 corporate penalty

Qld s 14, Classification of Publications Act 1991 1991 1 year/300 penalty units

SA s 33, Summary Offences Act 1953 1992 1 year/$5,000

Tas. s 74, Classification (Publications, Films and Computer Games) Enforcement Act 1995 1995 1 year/50 penalty units

Vic. s 70, Crimes Act 1958 1995 5 years

WA s 60, Censorship Act 1996 1996 5 years

Evidently owning a book on drugs is deemed to be a much worse offence than watching a 2 year old being raped by an adult :blink: Thats pretty screwed up.

Edited by Auxin

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Hahahaha,

Hilters dream will be realised yet.

It is just taking a little longer than he planned.

A friend got charged with having all sorts of books and papers on drugs and their manufacture. The papers were mainly to do with meth but there all sorts of other teks for other drugs. We were all fairly young and my mate was still living with his mother when he got raided, prolly due the large amount of young stoners going in and out all day gettin, well, stoned. :)

He was charged with conspiracy to manufacture pretty much whatever drug was listed in the books and paperwork, and then proceeded to poo his pants.

One D was nice about it all and eventually got the charges dropped, he just couldnt understand how my mate was going to manufacture all this gear without any equiptment, chems and above all, chemistry knowledge.

It prolly would have turned out different though if he was any older than 17 at the time. I think the most likely scenario is that this could have been a way for the poolice to scare my mate out of that way of life..........

it didnt work. lol

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my book collection, and I'm sure many others, could put me away for well over a hundred years...

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It's frightening how our system works.

This is the logic of the system: possessing such books are forbidden, as they are potential for making drugs. The same logic goes to weapons which are potential for killing.

Following the same logic, discussion on these matters can also be considered illegal. What is the difference between books and knowledge? NOTHING. basicly they belong to the same island. Writing or saying anything on how to extract illegal substance from plants are illegal because they are the outcome of 'illegal knowledge'. Speaking on how to grow illegal plants is as much the same. To be smart, one would choose not to be so outspoken.

I don't blame anyone, that would be illegal wouldn't it, to blame on the law? I am only speaking of the reality.

Edited by -bijanto-

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That is really disgusting, particularly when many cops lets cooks and growers keep growing if they get a certain amount of the proceeds. I've also notice that whenever the cops find a crop and burn it, the crop suddenly doesnt seem to have any heads on it *gasp*.

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What about the chemists!!! lol wouldnt it pass as being knowledge or reference book for a chemist? There are lots of scientific reports which involve making illegal drugs but they surely are not illegal. I would hate to think because Im studying chemistry, have some chemical equipment and legal precursors and chems as well as literature encompasing many reactions not to mention dr shulgins books that i would be charged with conspiracy to manafacture!!!!

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here's an interesting read on a similar subject...

not by me of course but by John Jiggens ("The Sydney Connection")

i spent several hours manually typing it since it isn't on the net...

well it is now:

(posted at eba since sab doesn't have a "review" subforum)

http://ethnobotany-australia.net/community...opic.php?t=4343

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here's an interesting read on a similar subject...

not by me of course but by John Jiggens ("The Sydney Connection")

i spent several hours manually typing it since it isn't on the net...

well it is now:

(posted at eba since sab doesn't have a "review" subforum)

http://ethnobotany-australia.net/community...opic.php?t=4343

Reviews are very welcome and encouraged in the creativity forum here. Given the uncertain future of EBA it might be a good idea to post it here anyway.

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I was under the impression that those who can demonstrate legitimate research purposes were exempt from this group of laws.

can anyone clarify. im sure i recall it as a condition of these kinds of laws

Thus legitimate chemists, lawyers, judges, police and forensics. and if them then perhaps also pHD students, someone writing a book, perhaps even undergrads if they can show legitimate usage.

What about the chemists!!! lol wouldnt it pass as being knowledge or reference book for a chemist? There are lots of scientific reports which involve making illegal drugs but they surely are not illegal. I would hate to think because Im studying chemistry, have some chemical equipment and legal precursors and chems as well as literature encompasing many reactions not to mention dr shulgins books that i would be charged with conspiracy to manafacture!!!!

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I guess, gaining personal knowledge isn't a legitimate reason?

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Reviews are very welcome and encouraged in the creativity forum here. Given the uncertain future of EBA it might be a good idea to post it here anyway.

ok, will do...

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I'll take a guess that it was one of Festers' books SMM or something like that , much like Pikal some things are just plain ilegal to posses and ignorance is no excuse. The whole book thing probably is being stired up by 'jihad' manuals and alike docs . That doesn't make seven years seem any less extreme but remember that mandatory sentancing is a huge issue in the NT .

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I'll take a guess that it was one of Festers' books SMM or something like that , much like Pihkal some things are just plain illegal to posses and ignorance is no excuse. The whole book thing probably is being stirred up by 'jihad' manuals and alike docs . That doesn't make seven years seem any less extreme but remember that mandatory sentencing is a huge issue in the NT .

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Laughable really, a friend bought pihkal and tihkal at a Dymocks store. Does that mean Dymocks are breaching the law, or was it the fact that the books are written in both story and journal style actually make them exempt?

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I'll guess that other materials were found that would suggest that he'd planned too or had already made illeghal drugs and that they took him down so hard for the book because thats all they could pin him on?

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Laughable really, a friend bought pihkal and tihkal at a Dymocks store. Does that mean Dymocks are breaching the law, or was it the fact that the books are written in both story and journal style actually make them exempt?

Yes, any person or shop that sells a banned book is breaking the law. including dymocks.

if book was exempt for whatever reason it would not be listed as RC on the OFLC database.

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Reviews are very welcome and encouraged in the creativity forum here. Given the uncertain future of EBA it might be a good idea to post it here anyway.

The memberlist shows there hasn't been any new members since 10th May 2006 presumably due to a bug in the forum software which no one seems interested enough to fix.

Shame since there is some useful info there. It appears as though its owners have become disinterested in maintaining it.

Also poppies.org haven't opened up registrations since April. Can't understand why you'd want to close up a forum for so long. Unless you like to stagnate or have a tendency towards inbreeding and groupthinking.

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The memberlist shows there hasn't been any new members since 10th May 2006 presumably due to a bug in the forum software which no one seems interested enough to fix.

Shame since there is some useful info there. It appears as though its owners have become disinterested in maintaining it.

There is only one person with the ability to fix this. It does appear that he has lost interest. It's a very unfortunate situation, and we're all hoping that some time in the near future we will have an EBA or something similar once again.

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There is only one person with the ability to fix this. It does appear that he has lost interest

This indeed appears to be the case.

I find forums, that won't let you join, very frustrating.

For example, that poppy forum thgat would never let me join. I still resent that.

Also, the german drug-forum ("drogen-forum");

a couple of years ago I made a funny remark that wasn't liked by the mods there.

It was so trivial, I can't even rmember what it was.

I've been banned since, and they won't let new members join either.

To hell with them then...

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I guess, gaining personal knowledge isn't a legitimate reason?

hmmm... I find the idea of "banning" knowledge quite amusing.

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The book 1984 was a prophesy and it all has come about. We now have the thought police. What is criminalizing books but thought crimes? They don't want you to even think about forbidden subjects. In USA and many other countries, punishment for crimes can be enhanced if the prosecutors can show any evidence that the offender hated the victim. Saying epithets is enough to add a few years to the sentence. In many parts of the world it is forbidden to question the official story on the holocaust. "denial" is punishable by up to 10 years in Germany and Austria, I believe. They always tell you those laws will only be used against really really bad people, but they lie. They get used against anyone and everyone and it becomes a precedent so they can pass other bad laws.

How can looking at an image be punishable by 10 or 20 years in prison? I don't care if it is child porn which is disgusting. Disgust should not be the basis for law. What is to stop them from putting people in prison for looking at images of other things like illegal plants? Like someone said, Hitler's book burning turned out to be a popular idea with today's rulers.

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