Yogibear

Puts my warning @ 100% 2 of them were given, my him, on the same day, for the exact same thing.. Go get some sun dood, you take your 'job' way too seriously It's spelt "personal", incidentally. Have a nice day

Bit late to get in on the action amigo, the thread is old news now.

I'd have thought YOU should be more interested in why he closed it due to it's content, then left it there for the google-bots to index? I mean, all this talk about the 'rules' being enforced by the Mods to protect you, and yet, rather than remove the thread or at *least* hide it, he leaves it just sitting there in open view of the entire internet. With step by step Opium Tea making instructions in it - as he must be aware - I'm sure that was the reason for his closing it - wouldn't want SAB having the cops finding drug-prep methods on here right? .. yet he left them there, simply stopped anyone else posting in the thread.

Finally someone speaking in a sane and calm manner (Well Torsten was calm). I started taking basic panadeine (8mg/500mg - Codeine/Paracetamol) when I was about 23. Whats that, 14 years ago. The N+ useage kicked into full swing shortly after moving to Adelaide; 2-3 years later, so its 11-12 years of 48 tablets a day, up to 75, and seriously, I feel fine. The reference I was talking about also; wasn't some Wiki shit. I searched about half a dozen medical sites, and got the 6-15gms per day for geriatrics there. But the bottom line right now, is that I haven't taken a single tablet since I started drinking the Poppyseed tea a few times a day, so all I'm ingesting are small amounts of Morphine, Codeine, thebaine etc,etc.. that makes me completely CLEAN, by comparison to what I WAS doing all those years 4 days, and haven't had a sinlge urge for a tablet, haven't had a SINGLE withdrawl symptom. Why I'm STILL fucked off that thread got closed. Can you even IMAGINE how many people would be addicted to OTC Codeine tabs? .. 4 years ago, my local chemist told me - one day when I went in there for my usual 48 pack for the day, that he'd just found out, that N+ is the most widely abused drug - was back then - for OTC meds. Imagine how many more people there'd be who would be hooked on them after 4 more years. And the fucker just deletes the thread like, fuck me dead.. /spit @ PH

Too tired to do a quote-by-quote account. I'm well aware that these forums aren't focused on preparation, but there should be SOME area where you can freely discuss THINGS without having to encode shit like a paranoiac. I'm also well aware you only sell the plants for cultivation, mm.. I even understand that you were raided a few years back, which would make you quite justifiably paranoid. But the moderator thing: You've just told me you leave it to their discretion no need to even monitor them right? They decide based on whatever they see fit, and the entire moderation process seems to me to be so full of holes, you're probably not as well protected - owing to their selective Vigilance - as you might like to blissfully like to think you are. ..and of COURSE you'e never had a problem with misuse of moderator access: It's not YOUR posts/threads that're being fucked with, o why would you care? Shouldn't NEED protection anyway, you.. mm be nice to start a forum - re-start or move this board, or have a small sister-site that's not directly - well - your responsibility. And who's gunna raid OUR PCs for prep files we've downloaded on the net? Seriously YOU.. I would say YOU have a right to be paranoid, but there's no reason for everyone else to be. I have to go to bed. Look how .. lacking in BOUNCE my post has become *yawn*

I'm pissed-off, Torsten, because I found something that's all natural, quite safe at low doses, has helped me immensely, and I wanted to share it: I haven't had any withdrawl signs in 4-5 days from a heavy codeine dependence. So, I tried to share my experience and create a thread about it. Rather than ask me to edit-out the step-by-step guide or remove anything self-incriminating, the "moderator" simply closed it but not only did he close it, he closed it after two days or three days: Not immediately. And just to add to the contradiction, he's happy to LEAVE the post out there - unchanged - in full view of google, AND the world. So if it were closed because the content was *so* forbidden, why would he leave it still sit there in full-view of the world, unless his motivation was personal. But that's branching off-topic. The thread may have been very useful to someone who - like me - is wanting to stop taking codeine but dreads the withdrawals, but instead, it's been shut-down in a flurry of 'the rules man don't step over the line dood.. the RULES!!' It's *meant* to be an open-minded community, and I didn't get pissy at all until a potentially useful thread went in the bin, simply to uphold the 'letter' of the law - a law that appears to ebb & flow depending on who a thread is created by. Fine, have it your way then Your rules suck. Well, between you and me, I haven't even read them .. not a single line, so I *suppose*, I can't legitimately critique them with any *real* conviction, but if this's all the result of your rules, then they're simply a hindrance to the free-flow of information. If you're too paranoid to allow people to discuss preparation methods for the plants YOU SELL THEM, then you need to alter the forums to allow an invite only area for private discussion of *ANYTHING*, and like Fight Club: Noone mentions what goes on *inside* the private area. Make it invisible to non-trusted members - easy. There, no need to feel left out, my frustrations have pointed towards you, too My issue, is that SOME prep threads are allowed to stay active and happily live-out their lives in peace (maybe PHs pals? Who knows) whilst OTHER threads are eliminated. Rules are meant to apply to everyone, equally, consistently, ALL the time: Not just waived when the moderator likes the poster enough to ignore them. Go read through some Ethno threads Mr.T: I guarantee you'll find MORE than enough examples to prove my point. I ask you for the freedom to explain methods of consumption for plant material, and you confuse it with grotesque, sexually-violent abuse? That post made me chuckle earlier this morning, but as much as I love your sarcasm, it really is a weak attempt to turn my point back on me, and you know it

Awww Hold on I'll flick back through and find em.. one tick

I didn't perceive any rodent-like, brain-dead hatefulness coming from you: You gave a perfectly rational, considerate post Several of the others did too - thank-you No. I'm always like this Actually, I'm quite happy to shut-up, until I'm told to. My entire argument was - and still is - valid: I started the PST thread, to share how - even thought it contains very weak levels of opiates, it *is* enough to relieve withdrawl symptoms of - my at least - codein withdrawl. I started the thread in the hope that other people would find it a tool. A tool to stop taking codeine. So naturally, I state my own actions - not implicating or even encouraging any kind of recreational use by others - and instantly, I get a barrage of "WTF MAN EXTRACTION METHODS??? WTF DOOD YOU KNOW THAT'S ILLEGAL RIGHT???" .. How can other people find any information helpful, if it has to be censored and cut-down and regulated and hidden in secret-code? I didn't implicate ANYONE here, I spoke for myself, of a method that proved very useful, and got told to stfu for it. Now, I know there are other threads on PST, but more often than not around here, they're drowned in obscurity. I also know there are other sites and forums with how-to guides, but hey, what's one more? I didn't claim to INVENT the beverage. The point of the 'community' and forums, the reason Shaman-Australis was started, is to provide rare plants to people. The vast majority of these plants are psychoactive, and yet everyone spends so much time trying to 'encode' what they mean, that I personally have spent thirty minutes constantly sifting through threads with "Shhh's" and "Don't talk about that man" .. IF people here are too paranoid or scared to grow psychoactive plants, go grow a vege patch or something instead - that's entirely legal! That wasn't as eloquently worded as I'd have liked, but I have a personal message to attend to before I concentrate on everyone's right to speak freely. @Torsten: Maybe you should create a forum that's *closed* to the public, so we can actually speak freely, and loudly - instead of in hushed, paranoid little voices.

My ego receives quite enough stroking already, but thanks for the offer And it's Ibuprofen, n.. WAS Ibuprofen: Search a few medical sites, and you'll find examples of it being given to old-age cripples with severe arthritis in regular, daily doses of 6000-15000mg. Its clearly much safer than people think - or I wouldn't still be here; let alone perfectly fit and healthy after well over a decade of use. Back when I started taking those ones, you could actually cut the tablets in half: the N+ embossed side contained the codeine, the other half was Ibuprofen. So for a while there, I was only eating Codeine (and lactose or whatever they filler-it-up with).

Get ready to duck! .. Don't go siding with the unpopular one chica, you know that!

It's amazing how quickly and happily so many well-centred, plant-loving, Enthenogenic "masters-of-cool" lose it, and all jump on the hate-wagon together, don't you think? .. ..it's fine, really. It's always more fun throwing rocks at someone when you're mates are there to cheer you on. It's human-nature for people to simply follow the lead of others. As for the quotes and point list of 'bullshit' you claim I spoke: I've never been the type to feel the urge to lie, so whatever. The more negative posts - like yours - were made by people - like you - who mean less than spit to me anyway, but I'm sure your buddies where impressed by your foot-stamping! Feed that hate, it's good for you dood. Some of the posts above had a nice, funny, calming effect to them, made me smile. Others were understanding, with typical human air about them, thank you for the intelligent responses - those of you who made them Anyway, I spent the day pretty well baked, outside in the garden with a puppy, hence my late reply: I siply didn't feel like leaving the sun to sit at a computer reading. And how SHOCKING that I would talk openly about substances from plants, on a message-board that's meant to be dedicated to plants grown for their substances!! .. F*ck me! What was I thinking! ..I'll start hunching in a dark room all day, peering through a crack in the blinds, and be paranoid that everyone's out to raid me for my poppy-seeds and plants, then I'll fit right in right? Apologise? .. For speaking openly, and honestly? ..Pft. I think you'd do well to loosen your tin-foil hat guy, before the feds 'tap' your phone, and aliens start eating your breakfast cereal!

Yeah and Warn Points are given at the Moderators discretion: And since every human has their own beliefs, attitudes, values and ego, do you really think they're only going to make fair, un-biased decisions? Basically: If the Mod doesn't like it, it goes. Never mind the opinion of the author hey? Oh yeah, just like Gadget did a week or two ago? .. remember that? One distasteful PM from Gadget, and Synchro FLEW-OUT squeeling to everyone about it as if he'd been anally raped, yeah smart thinking 99. So basically, as long as you keep your opinion to yourself, speak in a hushed voice, and treat Moderators like they're a class above everyone else, you'll get along just fiiine here? ..Oh, and lets not forget this teenage mentality that says that if one person has been here longer than you, that your opinion isn't worth spit - I hace better things to do than stroke everyone's egos, you all do that plenty without one more tosser to kiss your asses. So much for open-minded, free-speech, I suppose every site has to have a 'catch-phrase' huh? I quite honestly couldn't give a rats dick who knows what about what - there is *always* someone who knows more than each of us. That whole last paragraph (^^^) has absolutely no relevance whatsoever to the thread/argument/debate. I started the thread, because I'm sick of finding my posts, threads and replies falling victim to the whims one person whose inflated sense of self importance and paranoia that the Feds are going to raid us for our irrelevant Enthenogenic plant collection, means that speaking openly has become prohibited. Who's trying to teach you all something you don't already know? I couldn't care less. If you're going to attempt to make blunt, inaccurate attacks on me, at least try making valid points: You're simply fabricating garbage, in an attempt to impress the others. But bullshit is just bullshit, no matter who says it. Again, you stupidly assume I don'.. Wait, I don't even know why I'm wasting my time arguing with someone who has no idea who I am, or what I know? .. I'd doubt you'd have read a single post I've made, and you're trying to tell me "What I remind you of" that'd be f*ckng hysterical, of it wasn't so inept and lacking in merit. As for proving you wrong? I've never had the slightest compulsion to 'prove myself' to a single living person on earth, so I doubt I'll be changing that any time soon. Certainly not for you. Any of you actually. FREEDOM OF SPEECH - THAT is what my thread was about, before you all came along and turned the whole thread into a dick stroking competition. I don't care who knows more, or less, who's 18 or 81. All I care about, is that I have the right to communicate my OWN actions, or beliefs, OR feelings on any topic, just to have them removed, or closed, or deleted. Simple really. If I cannot speak without having to dig through this sort of bullshit every time someones poor, delicate little ego gets upset by something said offhand, I'll be happy to take it somewhere where I can.

For all your info, it's PST and Valium as of yesterday, but that's not important. EVERYONE, should be able to post their opinions without having some thread-nazi dictate what is considered 'good or bad' and wipe them out, else what's the point in bothering to post in the first place??.. I also stipulated the entire point of that particular thread, and said several times that trying to use PST as a regular 'recreational' drug/concoction would be completely pointless. I didn't post it in the wrong forum - I posted it right here to give PH the thrill of deleting one more of my posts, one last time. Call it an early birthday present. And who gives a shit who's 'done more' for ethnobotanical society: He doesn't run the site, he doesn't own shaman-australis, many others have done alot more than him, I'm quite confident of that. As for insulting him: Speaking the truth regarding someones attitudes is no insult. Just a perceived fact. And as for the 'warmings' .. PH gave me two warnings in two posts, just to - I can only assume - get his little buzz out've excercising the very little power he has over ONE forum on ONE Messageboard. Those two warmings are still there after what? 5 weeks? How childish and sad is that?

Every time any thread starts getting interesting, you, Planthelper, jump-in acting like a 3 year old with lots of red buttons to press, and cancel, close, or delete the thread. Without those of us *creating* the threads, you wouldn't have anything to moderate, and correct me if I'm wrong, but the Forum title DOES dub itself "Plant use in any culture". If every time I create a post worth reading, it gets closed or deleted, then what's the point in creating them? ..here anyway. King of your own irrelevant little forum man. if it gives you that much of a buzz just ending threads without any regard for the effort (on everyones part) to create that thread, you should have Mod priveledges f*cking taken away. You're not 2 years old, and you sure as hell aren't the Fürer of a Fascist regime, you're just a use of a small local Messageboard - one of many many MANY on the net, who seems to have allowed the Moderator thing go right to your head. No doubt this thread will be moved or deleted too,, no wait! You'll leave it here, just to show you're really not as bad as I make out, right? Whichever it is, I don't care: It's just ONE forum, in ONE board, in an OCEAN of more popular ones. I'd have thought you'd had a little more appreciation of the many regulars who DO keep the forums moving, when it's just as easy for us to find another Board to partake in. When my ability to freely speak and share my opinion is hampered by idiots like you, in starts feeling more like a fascist state, than plant forum. Fuck that. So no more posts for me in Ethno. Done. Over it.. Fed up with the 'little man with a little power' syndrome you so often, grotesquely wave around like a flag. --Jason And as for saving my life by NOT closing the Poppy thread sooner - gimme a fukn break! ..don't give yourself any credit at all: Finding that the Poppy Tea actually WORKS - if anything - is what would've saved my life, YOU had *nothing* to do with it, so just don't bother trying to inflate your ego taking credit for something you had absolutely no part in. Some of the people (The know who they are) were quite supportive, that was refeshing, and uplifting. .. You on the other hand, simply closed the thread to .. I don't know actually.. an attempt to show us all what "AWWESOME POWER" you posess?? Like a three your old playing with his dads gun, you are /spits.

No no noooo. The minute traces of Opium latex on the outside of the seed-jacket is where you get your effects. Being preent only in minute quantities, it really would take you somewhere in the order of half a kilo of seeds to *really* get relaxed, but even at just 200 grams, I feel the "ahhhh" for hours from each dosing of tea. If you consider the texture of the seeds too, it's really not hard to see how the opium resin/late/whatever can stick to them. Check out this macro I took the other day of some standard, "Hoyts 100g bag" poppy Seeds. As you can see, the honeycomb, grid pattern and indents would be - as I figure it - quite logically a great resin-trap .. :