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Bridgesii' are self-infertile so won't set seed without cross-pollination.
She's only flowered three times from memory. Each time as much pollen as possible was collected and distributed via this fora and the old EBA. I had no luck pollinating her, and the only success I recall was from one member who I never heard any more from than fruit were happening.
For the last few years she's been pruned to about 8' tall, but I'll be relocating in the next few months (at last) so she'll be left alone for a while.
I got some of that Pollen a few years back.
from memory the pollen didn't take from the q-tips.
it was well worth a try
We've got her growing well enough here now and expect fresh flowering in 3 more years time.
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I just wanted every to know that the charges for Bouncing Bear's Warehouse's owner and businesses have been dropped
but that they're leaving wide open the door for filing new charges based upon their continued investigation.
He'll be able to get many of his products back but the live plant material may have been damaged, killed or destroyed by the impoundment
by the police/ federal agents (very likely). I do not know what they did with the amphibians but
it's likely that he'll have to fight to get those back since they're most likely been handed to the humane society
and or may have been returned to the wild if it was believed to have been wild caught animals.
I'm sure there'll be updates
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Well, whoever they are ...
J Ott knows them well enough to have them as guests
but at the same time... they're clearly fucked up people
that *shouldn't ever be guests* yet alone tolerated in any way.
Yet, for some reason... their names are being shielded.
Personally, If someone burned down my house
ESPECIALLY, after I showed such a kindness as allowing them to sleep there
I would hunt them both down
Drag them back by their scalps through ant mounds while smeared with honey
Only to have them tied to stakes and fed to wild dogs. While streaming it live over the internet
and charging for tickets to recoup my losses.
Before I would start even thinking of calling things even.
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Please spread the word!JONATHAN OTT’S HOME & BELONGINGS DESTROYED IN A FIRE!
Xalapa, Mexico mid-March 2010
A tragic fire by arson has burned our dear friend Jonathan Ott’s
lovely home to the ground. He was lecturing in Spain at the time and
he is personally safe, but homeless and shaken. This is a tremendous
loss, and Jonathan could use your help right now. He must relocate.
How often have we heard Jonathan referred to as the leading authority
on entheogens (a word he jointly coined)? His writings are considered
the gold standard of accuracy. And those of us who know him personally
have experienced his endless generosity, wit, and talent. He is one of
the legends in our midst to whom we owe so much. Now is our chance to
pay him back in his hour of need. Here is what we can do...
Jonathan is currently homeless but staying with neighbor friends. Each
of our efforts, however small, when combined will make a huge
difference for our esteemed friend and colleague Jonathan. He needs
financial help for shipping expenses and various relocation costs
right now.
Please make a donation right now:
http://www.cognitiveliberty.org/news/jonathan_ott_fund.htm
Please forward this request to your contacts and post on sympathetic
web sites. Longer text at above link.
Jon Hanna:
Jonathan had been providing a place to crash in his newly created lab/guesthouse for two guests, who ended up getting into a couple of physical
altercations with Jonathan's neighbor. Clearly, Jonathan found this to be
unacceptable, and his guests' anger was then turned onto him. While he was
gone from the country, they burned his place down. Nearly all of his books
are now covered soot and have to be cleaned before packing up, but
thankfully only about 40-50 of them were charred and none were consumed. So
he's got a bunch of sad, dirty, tedious work ahead of him, packing
everything up into fruit crates, trucking it to Veracruz, shipping it by
container to Cartagena de Indias, then overland to Manizales, in the
Cordillera Central. Colombia as a spot to relocate likely has more to do
with the fact that he has a gig and a friend he can stay with there; but it
is also true that he was increasingly disenchanted with the area in Xalapa
where he lived.
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Jabaz,
I'm sorry if I didn't state it clearly.
There is a general "rule" regarding sales of prohibited items to those under 18
This also applies to grade / highschool campus's as well
Violation of providing "drugs" within 1,000 yards (roughly 1k meters)
and/or to someone underage results in the court systems use of special charges charts
for increased and even mandatory time in prison.
Basically everyone knows that sales to kids
even if it's technically legal... is just stupid and begging to get busted.
What was insinuated by the media reports was that sales were made to school age kids
by the fact that a close by school district found their students with K2 on them while on campus.
Reporting this is solely intended to inflame the public's sentiments against BBB store.
While I didn't find any references to K2 being found at the local school district to the store.
That doesn't quite mean that they're not selling to those same kids.
Only that those from other districts are less wise about bringing it to class with them.
30 miles isn't that far to drive along those rural roads and for the cost of gas vs shipping to their parents home
I'm willing to bet that most picked up their stuff directly.
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Do they even own it?
Looks like it could be someone's from the neighborhood.
just saying...
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I also find it really hard to belive that they were selling directly to school aged kids is there any link that can be provided to prove this.
Any link is going to be coming from the media or from "the authorities". I followed up on it
What I did find was that the school districts cited we're less then 30 miles away from the storefront.
other districts did state that k2 was a active problem on campus. But admittedly, nothing that stated that they got it directly from the store ... of that the storefront had a policy of checking age for sale either.
they could have ordered via the web. I do know that when I was in high school that a 30 mile drive in a friends car wasn't that big of a deal to get something new, exciting and legal.
And as far as the "Ethno comunity goes" the real problem is that pepole dont like to have to hide there true selfs behind smoke and mirrors and shouldnt really have to.Sure, you don't have too but you'll pay the price if you do... it's your choice.
If there is any one thing that anoyes me its somone lifting them selfs up to being a better person on the grounds that there doing the same action as other for there own intellectual growth making them better. Its not a far leap from that to the same argument that the dealers that work for the FEDS must make to justify there existance. I only sell dope so i can keep everyone safe from them self blah blah blah.non sequitur
Remeber the police are so intimatly linked to the criminal aspect in my country he could have done what he was doing for alot longer if he had been sleazy enough to illicet the local badges to watch his back. I wouldnt be to worried about cactus they will probably chase the weed and profit from the cactus.Very true. What they're after is the cash that they can take from him by making a reasonable claim that they're illegally acquired profits.
There is a small sandbox that very one can enjoy... stay in that and everyone is fine..
throw dirt at people, cause problems and you'll be taken out and beaten up.
.BBB Stepped out of the sandbox allotted to them.
and seems to not have played ball with the other team as well.
but that's not the whole situation either.
There's the State legislation that seems to have generated it's banned list off of BBB's menu of products.
looks like many things are now going to be illegal in that state other than K2.
Teljkon,
What do you think the worth is to use this as leverage to actually
get their marketing and customer base to cultivate their own domestically
vs being consumer of powders, skins and imported materials?
is there any advantage to growing other than access in your opinion?
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It's listed on the tag as a t. terscheckii.
that doesn't make it so... but it's good support for the argument.
It's very likely to have been started from seed and recently brought in
fro the growing grounds the owner has.
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Yeah, well I'm going to be picking up that pachanoi type clone
there's more if anyone wants to trade in the USA.
I can get them
but lets try to get a handle on it's ID first.
Oh on the mixed table
the bridg hybrid clone is verified.
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After looking over some of MSSmiths images
it might be a true "T. Pachanoi (T. pachanoi from Matucana, Peru)
or close... perhaps a hybrid cross.
The guy that made the cuttings said it came from a very old and
"abandoned" mother plant
very tall and had a woody core.
quite thick and about twice as the b clone.
He's referring to it as a "tree pachanoi"
close up of skin and spine configuration
nice ridges no?
small branching pup
and just for fun
some of the other trichs he had on the table
sorry about the image quality is was getting dark
Thoughts?
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sounds like someones done a switcharoony on ya seedsI was thinking the exact same thing.
If you've ever showed off your seeds to someone... then this is a distinct possibility.
Looks to me that there's two different species in there.
The loph's will not have any hard spines. take a pencil and brush up against one
with it, if it bends along the length... you're ok
if the taller ones don't bend along the length but at the base
then you've got another species. Perhaps even a trich sp.
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Well it seems as if this is oddball of the group that can self pollenate.
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Recently at the melbourne cacti society show I got to see a third generation of these hybrids. a variagated, spineless freak, a most amazing plant. Does anyone have any photos of these plants? or know any more about these particular hybrids?
Thanks.
I'm very interested in finding out if this is true
it's a project that I've been working on myself for quite some time!
please verify and provide any info regarding this.
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If I may add
that the self sterility is both mechanical as well as on the genetic level
you'll need fresh pollen from different genetic individual to generate seeds.
be careful... lots of surprises await.
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Mac,
Yes, I do think it's about perceptions (but not the way you're thinking)
It boils down to this
Mutant doesn't want to be infringed upon with "idiotic questions"
so he's trying to protect the forums in a way...
I'm saying that we all start at zero and learn largely from example.
The best way to bring people up out of the mud
is to not let them all make a fucking royal mess out of everything.
but point out to them that there is a problem and a solution that the "best" will recognize
and gravitate towards.
Offer up a better solution than what the BBB types are making $$$ from
and people will take it and run with it.
Mutant, regarding longevity of forum sites.
they need new blood in order to thrive.
over a decade ago when the lycaeum was undergoing several changes
I argued for a more advanced and closed system of membership to the forums
just like the real old days when it was crazy encrypted, nymservered
and you had to make yearly payments to belong.
I also wanted to keep the idiots out and everyone and everything safe and secure.
I was outvoted and while I was correct on many points
the realization that any measure we could undertake
it didn't stop peoples greed.
There would always be someone else willing to cater down
to the masses in order to make a buck or have their lame ass ego stroked by a ignorant kid.
I digress....
While there were a few forum invite only sites set up for the advanced people
in the wake of all of this...
What I learned was, that its about as fun as the Universities professors mess hall.
Even in these advanced websites... without the new people coming in and asking questions,
bringing in new things and random information
we all grew stagnant in our comfortable little worlds of BS.
and worse of all....
That which we left behind... grew stronger.
Those open sites grew in membership and bozo ideas became gospel.
The clueless kept going along without us... growing in both numbers and influence.
without the voices of the reasonable and learned... they were able to shout down
the few voices of reason left on many of the larger forums.
It's all steps that have lead us to the point we're at now.
the only way I see to combat all of this is to educate people and teach them
because if we don't... the idiots will be more than willing to do it for us.
then we'll all be left with nothing.
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I wanted to join in on this
from playing around with both vertical and horizontal lo cuts
I agree that the vertical are healthier and faster growing from my experience.
I've got my theories as to the "how and why?" mechanisms
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The seeds may just be bad
Or there's a bad technique.
Here's a quick and still roughly described method that I've used with success
Flips hard seedcoat germination
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RE: Hot and dry climates
You've got to keep them tented and or indoors and out of the wind.
Expect a lot of leaf deformities due to low humidity.
I've seen some BEAUTIFUL plants in Southwestern US greenhouses.
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Just my 2¢
I wouldn't use IPA right off the top as a spray
*depending* upon the size of the plant in question
I would suggest hitting them with a nice jet of water
Work your way down leaf by leaf all the way down the stem
That's a lot less damaging to the plant
as long as the spray isn't so heavy that it's ripping the leaves apart
you're in good shape.
Ants will go to caapi and feed off of the sugar wells
small nodules at the base of the leaves.
Once that happens they'll start setting up little farms.
A good way to keep such things as aphids out of the picture
is to nuke the ants out of existence. If you're unsure you've got any in your area,
a good way to test for ants is to go down to a local pet store and buy a dozen crickets.
Use their dead bodies as bait. set them along walls close to planter boxes
Many ant species will zero in on them within a hour if they're in the area.
Then you know what to do..
I've got no problems with nuking invasive species likeArgentinean ants vs native species
They like to establish mini colonies in your pots as quickly as an afternoon
if they find a food source close by.
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Hello Mutant,
Yes I've read some of your posts and I remember seeing you within the threads that are of interest to myself.
and I also understand.... Guess I'll also have to jump the hurdle with you as you will with me.
Your points assume that a temporary lack of cacti stock will slowly turn a consumer-type into a cactophile and grower! Or that someone who wants to get 'high' on a cactus actually appreciates the beauty of the cactus itself as the living organism...No, what I know is that if drugs are the primary motivation
This will open the door for a few that desire what they think they want
and bring them up a level or two in personal growth by giving them something more to think about
The lazy and stupid will fall away of their own accord unless catered to.
That is the main problem... someone will cater to them in a quick bid for cash
so I suggest that different people help reduce that (noob) market as much as possible by encouraging plant cultivation.
as well as, throwing blame upon all websites like BBB for threatening their legal access to plants.
Go into their web forums and jam their system... find the best and bring them in... get the others to blame those BBB esque websites.
reduce their profit pool and help preserve the cultivation of valuable plants.
ThunderIdeal is spot on. And these forums are good for people who love plants. There are others that are more into the consumer mentality and stuff about consumption. Different forums, different people. Some people are in differnt forums too.Of course, that's why I'm here.
By accepting this you also accept that you won't be having to deal with the american noobs asking basic questions either. so they'll shouldn't be bothering you.
This forum speaks in a language that isn't to their tastes.
I'm currently dipping down into some forums to help select and point the way for those that are above the problem people but don't yet know where to turn. Someone has to be the guide every now and then... otherwise you only feed the monster.
Psych use doesn't necessarily change a person into a richer, great-hearted and more open-minded individual. I have been learning this over the years...Yeah, I roll my eyes when I hear this new age over idealization from someone.
[added} Christian, Jewish, Islamic followers all say the same thing as well.
Other than than, it's cool if people actually get to see how beautiful and rewarding is to grow the plant itself. Then they might stop thinking about eating a peyote , if they grow it themselves. Maybe. I hope it will! More people for me to share the 'hobby' of cactophilia!Well that is exactly why I'm promoting the idea of growing your own to the noobs as well as the fear that "the end is near".
I'm using both the carrot and the stick here mutant, to bring people up closer where they should be if they're interested in using these tools.
There's many that are looking in quiet desperation but do not know where to turn.... I chose to give them something to shoot for.
But growing plants has to be one of the most rewarding hobbies, and this has always been associated with their potential use in food, paint, medicine, etc. This attitude of mine is not pretended, as if to be -legal- or to sound picky. I am really that way. ANd I am trying to speak up in a serious manner when talking to people, users or non-users , mainstream or undeground, all kinds of people, trying to show that not everyone of us is a fucking druggie or an uneducated or dumb freek. And this, in a country that all these are still a tabboo.ditto on all counts... you are not the only one.
perhaps you've know a guy named murple....
Such approaches are more silent, growing slowly like cacti themselves, among close, somewhat elitist groups of likeminded psychonauts and friends.yes, but the cat is really already out of the bag here in the states
among the net junkies things have gotten waaaay out of hand
and when I was busy trying to hold back "the flood" as the lycaeum mod over a decade ago..
Working to keep the consumer drug mentality of the 1960's street drug culture under control
and getting people to think was a serious time commitment on my part... but I believe it was and still is worth it.
Yes I have the same viewpoint and I fully agree that the spread of information but not knowledge is what is bringing many things down.
I've preached it for over a decade.
People have to work and invest in order to get the keys. Peoplelearn and change their own personal attitudes along the way as a result of putting in the effort.
The worst thing to do is to cater to people with such consumerist attitudes and that is what is entirely what is wrong with the entire situation here.
Catering down to people is the crime, that BBB committed.
Now, I believe is the best time to change peoples perspectives
and help point them into a good direction...
because right now many are looking for help and are open to hearing what we have to say.
Mentality is everything!I know what you mean...
I think you totally misunderstood whatever you thought about me...Well, I think we can see each other more clearly now. Good to meet you
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Thanks mike.
I took some time off to reapply to personal, family and business pursuits.
It's really good to see everyone here again. :D
Glad to see your still in the game with cacti.You kiddin, I knew this was going to be a long term project
when I got started in college ;)
"back in the day", and before I really started some closer examinations of the plants,you had what at the time was the "classic KK242", or at least was considered both the KK242 and T. peruvianus
LOL Well I'm sure that it didn't help matters that my plants served as the voucher specimen images for the Lycaeum plant archive
Nobody can really blame me, as I ordered KK242 T. Peru seed. Got labeled KK242 seed and germinated them. The confirmation ID support I got at the time (not you btw) sealed the deal.
Guess we all kept on referring back to ourselves for verification back then.
Oh yeah, imagine my surprise when I learned that there's no more Trichocereus anymore.
Glad I haven't given any lectures or cacti presentations in the last few years.
(I had been telling people that the pachanot was a hybrid due to F2, F3 variation being all over the place.. nice to see I wasn't alone)
Sorry that you're left with some plants that you might not find as desirable, but hey, all in the name of progress.Indeed. I can deal with this. it's science (not religion)... We change according to facts and best information available.
All of this puts my crossing project into a bit of a twist.. but I'll pick up the pieces
Looks like I've found some 6+feet of spineless true E. pachanoi here
So I won't have to start off again from 100% scratch /seed.
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Mutant.
What's happened is that the perceptional bar has been raised.
You give me the impression that you believe that it's better to give people convenient access to powerful molecules
without any training, guidance or demand that they raise up to a level of responsible use by way of a mature understanding for these tools?
Pointing people to erowid isn't going to cut it.
It's simply the wrong paradigm to follow.
I'd much rather have people raise themselves up to something like this than to have it lowered to them.
I have little sympathy for those that demand the quick and easy route for something they don't understand
If they are allowed to think of botanicals as way to cheat the drug laws and be reckless
Then, we've gained nothing.
Firstly
The good thing about making people cultivate their own plants
is because, they'll have to be responsible and stable enough to care for it.
This generally removes all immature kids (living at home) and fuckups from the equation.
and they know it.
Secondly
it's a self regulating system.
if you can't care for yourself (house and home), because you're all wacked out on kratom
Then ... you can't care for your plants ... you lose their "production" in proportion to your lacking stability.
Chewed up and ill cared for plants - don't grow.
Again the people most likely to complain about this, are the ones that know that it eliminates them
or because it forces botanical stability and responsibility on them as people.
Gone are the homeless wanders making mimosa orders at the public library.
Again, I don't have much sympathy..
at the very least... they're a image problem for the community.
If you're thinking that we can win public support for legalization
then we have to cultivate the upstanding and productive citizen image...
not the one of a guy who can't pay his rent.
Thirdly
It takes time.
this weeds out those casual people that don't take the time to research or have a true interest in entheogens.
It cools the heels of many and gives them time to think about what they're doing and why
investing time and expense into the cultivation of a plant also means they're going to be less likely to be frivolous about it's use.
The people that are currently asking questions are an easily solved problem
I'd much rather be pointing people to a gardening forum and having them learn something
that is of both philosophical and spiritual value. Many people have no connection to the earth
Many can learn more than how to grow drugs by caring for a plant that gives back 100 fold.
Whereas, the option you seem to be advocating is one of continued imports and sales of carrier items
(monitored by DEA, US Customs and other agencies)
To anyone with access to a paypal account or credit card (again easily monitored by the government)
IF that is removed, then the anti drug forces will be forced to judge consumption by ER visits
and the odd traffic stop... (I'm willing to bet that those will also decrease as well)
If we continue to have websales of dead plant materials (importation)
as with what happened with webtrypt "research chemicals"
It will lead to the same illegalization that webtrypt did.
Nobody learned a thing and when the suppliers were put into jail
everyone was left out and looking for the next thing
just as uninformed and as shallow consumers as before.
Now the same types of people are doing it all over again.
I'm asking you mutant to change your mind on this...
I'd rather have long term but more difficult (and more appreciated) access
then no access at all. (or worse).
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They were selling it to kids
The BBB had a brick and mortar store that sold to basically any and everyone
so much so that the local news stories didn't bother to describe the store or what they sold
when it made the news lead that evening.
Well before this latest raid, they were too far above the radar within their own local
(and very conservative) community in a conservative rural state american state.
When they got raided the first time a few years back their customers were also hauled in
They should have gotten the hint.... but they didn't.
This time ... they once again seem to have handed over
their entire customer and shipping list to the authorities.
All the information was written down and or kept unencrypted.
When doing a little more research on this issue
it was discovered that there had been multiple confiscations
of K2 on the local school grounds from students by teachers.
That really does need to be stressed.
They were selling it directly to school age kids.
So we've got business that pisses into the communal botanical well
No, he and his staff squat and take their turns shitting in it with cactus skins
and overt marketing to the lowest noob end of the drug culture.
He, nor his staff will listen to reason when people called them
(I personally called them in an attempt to discuss my concerns)
They insisted upon pushing the limits and basically were over confident
and cocky about their legal standing as if that was the only concern.
Now they're shut down and I'm thankful.
I wish it hadn't been at the hands of the authorities
and lawmakers.... but at least it's done and put some fear into the willfully naive.
Both legally and culturally,
This really deserves to be watched as well as stressed
the history of events so that people will learn
and that the only way is to really grow from seed
and put the personal time into it...
Quick and Easy is the Enemy.
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Two things:
If it's illegal as either a carrier or as specifically listed botanical item
it's still a risk that you don't really want to be on the losing side of.
second, if they're overlooking it and letting some in (please go back to my first point)
Either way, their looking the other way will stop when people start ordering it and more comes into the country
and especially if they start posting discussions in drug forums.
Double especially if it's being mentioned as being used in illegal extractions to create an addictive substance.
That completely crosses the line from a item from someone ordering innocently
to someone with knowledge performing illegal activities.
t. iboga has little white "growths" (?) on under side of leaves
in Ethnobotany
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my thought,
You have great humidity and your plant is gathering additional water off of the ambient air.
I've had a carpet of these "arial roots" on the undersides of my p viridis years ago.
These were seed grown plants and isolated from any type of infectious insect
yet we developed the same types of features under the leaves.
I suggest that you take one leaf and half burry it in moss and see what happens.
There's also a suggestion that you might want to break it in a few sections
and see if they'll react like P.V. leaves with multiple clones arising off of the one sectioned leaf.
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