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That was quick prophet, quote: Like flip said, "we all have out beliefs"When and where did I say that? quote: If you want to believe in your false religion called evolution that is fine by me... evolution is not a religion. it's a theory based upon what is factual and reasoning. quote: so why don't we just kill off all the weak people in the world who prove to be useless and call it natural selection... Er, "we" do. human beings do in fact kill others of the species. when one identifiable group attacks another and removes it's people from the gene pool... thats altering the species. usually all for resources (I should need to cite examples) how about GW Bush? (a devout christain, who was placed into office by the christian right wing radicals) Who's agenda is Bible and Christian based, and stongly supported by your religious leaders. He's invaded the middle east, killed hundreds of thousands of people and is focused upon grabbing their resources for our use. it's good for the USA tribe (and those related to us) and bad for theirs. Our tribe has developed a better technological culture and ability. Trust me, they would all be dead with piplines directly to my doorstep If that was something that could be gotten away with. quote: It is a shame that you are judging all christians by the actions of a few and you seem to steriotype every christian as being the same. I'm painting with broad strokes but I do believe I'm right on the money (with links no less) please give some evidence of support for your positions please. not quoting some character in a old text. quote: Religion has not "held sway" over the world, the church has, mainly the roman catholic church the mother of all whores and her harlot daughters.Religion and the church are one in the same. now I could bring up taoists monks and other asian philosophical schools that are often called "religion". but they are different our conversation has been about jewish ,catholic islamic religions. that are all based upon the same texts and premises. and they do hold sway over history and many peoples. you really seems to require a history lesson as well as politics. and once again you have not countered my statements but rather jumped to new ground.... please hold still. Otherwise, if you just want to say: "I'm choosing to live in a willing delusion, The bible is a fictional work, that allows me to think I'm associated with some powerful being and isn't true - but false and a lie to believe in." Just say that and I'll leave you alone. because you'll then be telling the truth. [ 28. May 2005, 01:15: Message edited by: Flip ]

Bacchant, Spiritualism and religion are two different things. I think we would culturally develop spiritually (read my definition of spirituality, not related to church) if religions didn't interfere as much as they do human beings would be far better off. Religion should if anything, be like drug use. their goals should be their own obsolescence. instead, their dealers make muddled addicts out of people all for profit. (pun here)

Rich, I can clearly see them on your oversized picts. get a magifying glass. They excrete wax and build up these tufts. look at this colony (off the above link I gave you pict #46.) [ 28. May 2005, 02:42: Message edited by: Flip ]

Yup, you have mealy bugs Best to get out a hose and spray as many off as you can right now. the dew (read excrement) will spawn fungus and bacteria and can cause real problems (kill) spray that off. You can use a poison or the hose to spray (weekly) to get rid of them. they're covered with wax so many water based poisons are limited in effect. Here's an idea hose spray the cacti as best you can. wash as many as you can off (turn upside down) then either dip the plant in 90% rubbing alcohol or spray your cacti with it when it's dry. Hehehe - that'll get em' [ 27. May 2005, 22:28: Message edited by: Flip ]

Prophet? ... (not!) quote: Flip i don't know what your problem is with religion but if you think science will solve all your problems then you can put your faith in science.My "problem" is as I've said before Religion is The greatest Binder and Blinder of humanity My problem is that such dogma, has mislead and deluded millions of people and held the human race back. Now usually it's tolerated with polite amusement by the learned however, when religious organizations are imposing their illusions upon my government & society... I draw the line. Check out this comic thats get passed out to kids Notice that the girl said that Jesus created man not the jew or islamic god... it shows the twist that these christians are making and their agenda for social control /indoctranation. In the USA the republican right wing is pushing for control of the court systems to solidify the christian wetdream by training their own lawers quote: Might i add that i have nothing against true science but if you think evolution is science then you can put your faith in it. hahah, you have a wonderful way of twisting concepts to suit yourself. Scientific thought termed the word theory to describe how a set of facts can be explained using reason and testability. that is itself scientific. As described in that article that I linked you to above ("Evolution is a fact and a theory") Guess you didn't read it huh? and not least importantly, There is no faith involved in this... it's fact based. you seem to believe that the two words are interchangeable they are not. Science is a tool for understanding where as, the religion that you speak of is for delusions. and I can prove it again and again.... perhaps, you're just afraid of having to reconstruct your ethos. quote: I think such a stupid theory requires alot more faith than belief in God. Can you explain the lack of fossil evidence showing transitional forms? where are they?In Utah, home of the Mormons! :D You know, I googled transitional dinosaurs and found this up top. transitional dino quote: why do new organisms suddenly appear out of nowhere with no gradual change? Microevolution is possible but i am yet to see one species change into another by a series of random mutuations.New species don't just majically appear but can evolve quite rapidly within geologic time, just like old species can die out. One single gene expression can have dramatic implications. Man is not the measure of all things (how arrogant) You won't likely see A) what you don't wish to accept and will happen so slowly in your lifetime that you'll be likely to miss it. but over a few thousands of years much can happen. thats a geological "flash". quote: Its ok with me if you want to believe you evolved from a monkey, you can believe what you want.Sure thing. but I want to believe many things in this world that would allow me to feel better. the difference is that I accept reasoning and fact. and choose to live in reality. You do not, seemingly wishing to "believe" in the Lie calling itself the truth. Look at what happened when religion held sway in the world the Dark Ages! religion and your holy books controlled everything. People we're taught, if anything, (most we're kept in numbing ignorance) to look back vs forward for answers just as you do now in your personal life. and what was the result?... nothing but loss and retardation. (There's much to be said here but thats another thread.) Science and the resulting understanding has moved us all forward. If you wish to go back be my guest... because thats what many religious people are working towards -right now. Go ahead, stop being a hypocrite and abandon the last 300 years of civilized advancements and worship your god in a cave like the authors did (2,000+ years ago) and eat grasshoppers. It doesn't matter how much you suffer because you'll be rewarded in the afterlife right? I'm really looking forward to your reply and how much of my statements you choose to ignore this time. [ 27. May 2005, 22:42: Message edited by: Flip ]

I've spoken about this on another forum and don't usually cross post However, since he's aussie... I think you should know about what this asshat is doing over here! Yes, I realize nobody's going to lay claim to this bozo... Guess it's best as another comment re: the state of the United States. Thread starter: from murples forums (sorry If I seem to be ranting) Alright, this has gone far enough... Bush and his "education" spending has gone far over the line When bozo's like this get capital for their religious"idears" in Kentucky! what ta do? How about buildin a Museum Seems like this dork is heading it up (Chaka's all growed up) Guess this grand milestone in human theology also has dinosaurs in Noah's ark for a extended cruse... Now, that explains everything! yeah, put the cripples in the back too... Cuz, they deserve no better as "jesus" has saw fit to punished them this way... I could say "let them talk" but this whole thing is crazy what ever happened to simple reason in this country... Oh, I know, it's "christian science" and it's without all those big, hard to say words n' stuff... that makes it all so easy to believe in "even a kid can understand it". could that be it? hummm check the site out... it's full of interesting things I like the fact that their Museum office space is so large compared to the exhibit space. I wonder what plans they have for that area...hummm... Links for bush funding: UPDATED RECORDS HERE Who's got the all the money quote: Here's an update on this phuknut. He's gotten some media attention and is about ready to open "His disneyland for the bible" what a religious d0rk quote: Ministry uses dinosaurs to dispute evolution How and when did life begin? Ken Ham wants you to find the answer in his $25 million Boone County creation museum By John Johnston Enquirer staff writer Ken Ham poses with dinosaur models in his unfinished $25 million Answers in Genesis museum. KEN HAM Occupation: President and chief executive officer, Answers in Genesis - United States. Born: Oct. 20, 1951, Cairns, a city in Queensland, Australia. (Holds dual U.S.-Australian citizenship.) Residence: Petersburg, Ky. Education: Bachelor's of applied science in biology and environmental science, Queensland Institute of Technology, Brisbane, Australia, 1973. Diploma of education, Queensland University, Brisbane, 1974. Family: Married to Marylyn "Mally" Ham for 32 years; children Nathan, 28; Renee Hodge, 27; Danielle, 22; Jeremy, 20; and Kristel, 17. great his's got 5 kids!... birth control MF) On making a first impression: "People can think I'm standoffish or I don't smile or I'm very serious. Once they get to know me, it's very different." On the possibility of inviting public schools to visit the Creation Museum: "We'll try. Maybe we'll invite some of the superintendents, and say, 'We just want to show you what's here. And you guys decide if there's any way you can use it.' It's possible (administrators) might tell their students, 'Don't believe what they tell you, but let's go see the dinosaurs.' And we don't mind that." The 95,000-square-foot complex of Answers in Genesis is being built on 50 acres in Boone County. The Creation Museum covers 50,000 square feet. Early man reclining near a dinosaur – will be on display at the Creation Museum. PETERSBURG - Ken Ham wants to save your soul. He's so bent on that mission that he has spent 11 years in Northern Kentucky creating a museum to answer one of the most debated questions of our time: When and how did life begin? Soon, visitors to Ham's still-unfinished Creation Museum will experience his view: that God created the world in six, 24-hour days on a planet just 6,000 years old. This literal interpretation of the Bible runs counter to accepted scientific theory, which says Earth and its life forms evolved over billions of years. Undaunted by considerable opponents, Ham's Answers in Genesis ministry is building a $25 million monument to creationism. The largest museum of its kind in the world, it hopes to draw 600,000 people from the Midwest and beyond in its first year. "When that museum is finished, it's going to be Cincinnati's No. 1 tourist attraction," says the Rev. Jerry Falwell, nationally known Baptist evangelist and chancellor of Liberty University in Lynchburg, Va. "It's going to be a mini-Disney World." Ham sees the museum as a way of reaching more people - along with the Answers in Genesis Web site, which claims to get 10 million page views per month, and his "Answers ... with Ken Ham" radio show, carried by more than 725 stations worldwide. That's in addition to his talks around the country, the sales of books and DVD's, newsletters e-mailed to 120,000 people and Creation magazine, which has 25,000 U.S. subscribers. "People will get saved here," Ham says of the museum. "It's going to fire people up. If nothing else, it's going to get them to question their own position of what they believe." Primed to fight He walks briskly through the privately funded museum, pausing at a life-size model of a 40-foot-long, 14-foot-tall Tyrannosaurus rex. Ham, 53, appears far less ferocious - there's a resemblance to Abraham Lincoln - but he is primed to fight, too. "It's a foundational battle," he says, his Australian accent unmistakeable. "You've got to get people believing the right history - and believing that you can trust the Bible." Ham's views of history and science are based on a literal reading of Genesis, the first book of the Old Testament. Among other things, he believes that: Earth is about 6,000 years old, a figure arrived at by tracing the biblical genealogies, and not 4.5 billion years, as mainstream scientists say. The Grand Canyon was formed not by erosion over millions of years, but by floodwaters in a matter of days or weeks. Dinosaurs and man once co-existed, and dozens of the creatures - including T-rex - were passengers on the ark built by Noah, who was a real man, not a myth. Although the Creation Museum's full opening is still two years away, already a buzz is building. Construction tours are being conducted daily,and even more visitors are expected after a café and bookstore open later this year. Reporters from the British Broadcasting Corp. visited last week, and newspapers worldwide are flocking here to take a look, turning Petersburg into a ground zero of sorts for a culture war. "We're putting the evolutionists and secular humanists on notice," says Ham, who has lived in America for 18 years. "We're coming to take back what rightfully belongs to God's word - what rightfully belongs to the Christian faith." And yes, he says, that includes dinosaurs, the icons of evolution. Life-size models of dozens of the creatures will be on display in the museum. Ham argues that evolution - the scientific theory that says life on the planet evolved from a common ancestor over millions of years - conflicts with the biblical version of a six-day creation. That, he says, has undermined the Bible's authority, leading to a "relative morality" based on man, not God, and resulting in moral decay that ranges from racism and pornography to school violence and gay marriage. 'A giant step backward' Ham knows he has formidable opponents. Respected groups such as the National Science Board, the American Association for the Advancement of Science and the National Science Teachers Association strongly support the theory of evolution. John Marburger, the Bush administration's science adviser, has said, "Evolution is a cornerstone of modern biology." Many mainstream scientists worry that creationist theology masquerading as science will have an adverse effect on the public's science literacy. "It's a giant step backward in science education," says Carolyn Chambers, chair of the biology department at Xavier University, which is operated by the Jesuit order of the Catholic church. Glenn Storrs, curator of vertebrate paleontology for the Cincinnati Museum Center, leads dinosaur excavations in Montana each summer. "Dinosaur-man co-existence is a non-issue,'' he says. "And so, I believe, is the age of the Earth. It's very clear the Earth is much older than 6,000 years." The debate reaches past science. "I would hope the mainstream Christian community speaks up about this and says, 'This is not the only Christian view,' " says Eugenie Scott, executive director of the National Center for Science Education in Oakland, Calif. A spokesman for the Roman Catholic Archdiocese of Cincinnati said Archbishop Daniel E. Pilarczyk would not comment on the Creation Museum. A spokesman for Bishop Roger J. Foys of the Diocese of Covington referred questions to the Rev. Ronald Ketteler, chair of the theology department at Thomas More College. Ketteler would not comment on the Creation Museum, either. But he says the Catholic doctrine of creation - which declares God as creator - is compatible with the theory of evolution. The Rev. Mendle Adams, pastor of St. Peter's United Church of Christ in Pleasant Ridge, has never hesitated to speak out against Ham's views on science, theology and morality. In the mid-1990s, while pastor of a Northern Kentucky church, Adams opposed Ham's plans for the museum. "He takes extraordinary liberties with Scripture and theology to prove his point," Adams says. "The bottom line is, he is anti-gay, and he uses that card all the time." Ham says homosexual behavior is a sin. But he adds that he's careful to condemn the behavior, not the person. Ministry has $14 million budget In waging a culture war, Ham has a large number of potential foot soldiers. Gallup polls since 1982 have consistently shown that about 45 percent of the U.S. population believes that God created humans in their present form sometime within the past 10,000 years. Non-denominational and Baptist churches are the best prospects for developing relationships with the Creation Museum, according to a study commissioned by Answers in Genesis. One well-known Baptist whom Ham can count on is Falwell. In July, Ham will speak at the 2005 Creation Mega Conference hosted by Falwell and his Liberty University. "I consider Ken Ham the most informed creationist in America," Falwell says. Even detractors concede that Ham has appeal. Ian Plimer, chair of geology at the University of Melbourne, became aware of Ham in the late 1980s, when Ham's creationist ministry in Australia was just a few years old. "He is promoting the religion and science of 350 years ago," says Plimer, but he adds: "He's a far better communicator than most mainstream scientists." Still, even Ham admits he doesn't always make a good first impression. He's a shy man who wears a scraggly, graying beard, without a mustache, and doesn't smile much, although he has reason to: Donations for museum construction are rolling in at a rate of $300,000 to $400,000 a year. What's more, the ministry he began in Northern Kentucky 11 years ago with colleagues Mark Looy and Mike Zovath now has 110 employees and a budget of $14 million. "The Lord gave me a fire in my bones," Ham says. "It's almost as if ... I have no option. The Lord has put this burden in my heart: 'You've got to get this information out.' " Local fossils 450 million years old Get Ham onto the topic of biblical authority, and his passion is obvious. "He'd be speaking 20 hours a day if his body would let him," says Zovath, vice president of museum operations. Ham's wife of 32 years agrees. "He finds it difficult talking about things apart from the ministry," Mally Ham says. "He doesn't shut off." Ham travels to about 30 cities a year to speak at churches, conferences and seminars. A couple of times a year, he addresses his home church, Calvary Baptist in Covington, and draws crowds of 1,400 or more. "He's one of the most popular speakers we have," says the Rev. Dave Ellington, the worship pastor. "He reminds us to go back to what we really believe in the word of God." Ham's own faith took root early. He grew up in a Christian home in Australia, the oldest of six children. His late father, a teacher and principal, taught him that the entire Gospel message depends on Genesis being true. Whenever a challenge to Scripture arose, the elder Ham stridently defended his faith, which had a great effect on young Ken. Ham's high school teachers introduced him to the theory of evolution. Concerned that it conflicted with the Bible's creation story, he went to his father. The elder Ham didn't have the answers, but encouraged his son to look for them. Ham eventually found what he was seeking in the writings of creationist authors. Along the way, he earned a college degree in biology and environmental science, taught high school for five years, and spoke often at churches. He and Mally, who have five children, built a room on the front of their house in Australia and started a bookstore, Creation Science Supply. "We only had $200 in the bank and had ordered $20,000 worth of books. We didn't get a salary for years," Ham says. But his creationist ministry grew, and in 1979 he decided to make it a full-time endeavor. Many of the books the Hams sold came from the San Diego-based Institute for Creation Research, which runs a small Museum of Creation and Earth History. The family moved to America in 1987, and Ham spent seven years at the institute, until he was pulled by the allure of building a ministry and museum in a more centrally located U.S. city. Cincinnati and Northern Kentucky, home to an international airport and within a day's drive of two-thirds of the U.S. population, fit the bill. Today, Ham eagerly awaits the museum's opening, hoping to share his passion with more believers. But will people come away believing the Earth is 6,000 years old? Arnold Miller, a University of Cincinnati professor of geology, is an expert on the 450-million-year-old fossils commonly found around Cincinnati. A proponent of free speech, he says he'd never try to block the Creation Museum. "What I would like, however, is for it to be understood that it is something based on belief, and not on science," Miller says. He muses that he could quit his job, become an expert debater, and take on Ham and other creationists. "And if the general public were voting, I'd still lose," he says. "I sometimes feel that it's almost unwinnable. There's a strong fundamentalist faith that many people have. I wouldn't want to fight it." Ham, meanwhile, will fight. How will he know if he's won? "It doesn't matter," he says. "As long as you do what's right - and what God's called you to do." Sorry, But I'm REALLY UPSET that this sort of thing is happening naturally it's in the backwoods kentucky "bible belt" of this damn country where such a place (I assume) seems natural.... I can guarantee that this would have never gotten off the ground in my city. sorry for the anger.... /rant off [ 24. 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prophet, quote: God's seeks out those who are looking for the truth and whose hearts He has prepared to recieve the truth.The truth? I see no truth, only stories (that are myths). same as all the other once valid religions that ever existed. Want to worship Zeus instead? it's roughly the same, except that you can climb Mt Olympus and prove that he's not living there. All creation myths (and by extension religions) are created in response to age old questions and to provide for basic emotional needs. quote: yes i have studied the herbrew ~snip judaic beliefs ~snip i have also read the quran. And i also have the scriptures in greek and hebrew to compare with my "western retranslation Thank you, this is exactly what I was saying above. "that you've never looked into and studied another viewpoint from their perspective" These are all springing from the same jewish roots of monotheism and the benevolent god. and as I said before: "you've simply compared something to itself" with predictable results... quote: Might i add i don't believe evolution anymore, it is an unscientific theory. oh yes, hahah and since when have you cared about scientific validity? your myths aren't scientific. You can tell yourself lies to make it easier for you to not challenge your acceptance of creation myths. Here's a fair page on the subject devance, quote: Science isn't a faith destroyer by any means. And will ultimately prove what what. Well, the definition of faith is to act as if something unproven is the truth.... and to deny the validity of real facts to maintain such falsehoods. It's often used to preserve the identity constructed for the psyche comfort of the individual. Science is a methodology for the pursuit of truth. and it's always in a constant progression of learning or debunking old understandings in favor of better ones. It's this aspect that some people have problems with as they simply want answers (the simpler the better!) Facts don't matter as long as the story is livable with. It's all motivated by the desire to ease the consciousness. and not to have nagging questions. quote: Carbon 14 dating is badly flawed due to not considering Sun fluctuations.Are you saying that because such dating can be off by a hundred thousand years (or whatever it is.... ) That are you contending that the earth / universe is really only 6,000 years old! That the universe was created in 6 days, all "talked into being" by some omnipotent being that we have no evidence of? and humans actually co-existed with dinosaurs? Hey, Did you know? The bible is badly flawed due to it's use of myth, make believe and lack of accounting due to pervasive untestability? and yet people want to believe so badly in ANYTHING that they'll Go along with lies as long as it can make them feel that they're OK, part of a grand scheme, alleviate the fear of Death, being alone, the unknown, while promising punishment of enemies and some reward "later on..." Religion is the opiate of the masses -K. Marx Religions are the greatest binder and blinder of humanity (-flip) [ 27. May 2005, 04:00: Message edited by: Flip ]

Now this is what I think is classic! Dogs go after talcum powder vs coke quote: Powder mix-up fools sniffer dogs Bad Doggie... BAD! Dogs can be vital to police work, but only if they know what to sniff for A team of Australian drug sniffer dogs has been sent back for retraining, after it was found they could only track talcum powder, not cocaine. Melbourne police found that the white powder used to hone the dogs' nostrils was not in fact an illegal substance. A probe is now under way to see whether any illicit drugs have gone missing. "They're very good at detecting talcum powder," joked Assistant Commissioner Paul Evans. "If there's any missing kids, we'll find them fairly quickly." The seven dogs had been in training since January. They are meant to sit down next to a person, when they detect the scent of cocaine. Unfortunately, the dogs have yet to smell the drug, since the bag of white powder supplied by the Australian Federal Police for the canine training turned out to be talcum powder. Police in Victoria have launched an inquiry to see whether any cocaine has gone missing. But Assistant Commissioner Evans said that drugs were sometimes cut with other substances. It was also possible that the training bag was mislabelled. Victoria police must now find out if cocaine has gone missing "It's embarrassing," Mr Evans told the Australian Broadcasting Corporation. "It shouldn't happen, it did happen, it certainly tested our audit procedures, which have worked in this case. "We have picked it up ourselves fairly quickly." Victoria's Police Minister Tim Holding was unimpressed. "I was surprised and I was disappointed," he said. There is no word on how long it will take to break the dogs' talcum habit and retrain them to react only to cocaine. Now, who was it that gave the dogs the psudo coke to train them with hehehe One wonders.... its a great way to foil customs.

prophet quote: I personally am a Christian and i believe nothing can compare to the excellency of the knowledge of Christ. ~snip~ I have never been a part of any other religion and don't intend to because i believe i have found the truth. What a statement of conviction! But let me ask, how is that you've come by this conviction? when I assume that by "never been apart of another religion" you also mean that you've never looked into and studied another viewpoint from their perspective and not by the way of a western/ christian retranslation? IF so, then you really don't know anything by truly challenging it. you've simply compared something to itself or judged it from subjective christian values? quote: I cannot try and prove the existance of God scientifically but I believe it is also unscientific to believe that everything came into being by itself from nothingyou're right, the myth of genisis is not scientific. Where as, Hawlking and others are working on the origins of our known universe. Science hasn't contended anything "magically" appearing... you are misinformed if you believe that they are saying that. quote: For me this is evidence enough that there is a FAther creator God who created everything out of nothing by His Wordand I have other evidence: " Gabbla the Omnipotent down from the tube of being and landed in a sea of milk. He rested and started to dream about happy things. He dreamed about men and animals and fruit on trees... and it was good." the fact is that it's a creation story to explain common questions before the age of reason. quote: I can also understand how alot of people are put off religion by the state of modern churches and the hypocracy going on. well thats something... quote: That is why i choose not to attend a church but rather read the scriptures for myself at home. I learn alot more that way. "Learn"? ....Really? or are you just memorizing and swallowing dogma without question? quote: I don't want to be corrupted by denominational teachings.Er, you know that set of books that you're reading... that was written and re-written by people that are all parts of different religious and power perspectives and goals. don't you think that they themselves over the centuries edited and changed those "Holy Books" Not to mention, Deciding which writing best served their purposes in the first place? Here's a little something that shouldn't rattle you too much. The Grand Inquisitor, by Fyodor Mikhailovich Dostoevsky 1879 it's only a short chapter from The Brothers Karamazov read it a few times it'll be interesting to see what you get out of it. Don't you think it's a bit pretentious to give yourself such a nic? hummmmmm? or are you just trying to associate yourself with something that you view as greater than yourself?

I think that all of this debate over the bible is pointless. There have been far better minds than ours that have wasted their entire lives going over all these stories. and if they sniffed serious evidence it would have been weeded out long ago. in order to not distract from their authority as gods voice. One basic fallacy that I see is that people try to use these stories as a foundation to build their life upon. and in the process close themselves off to what else there is out there. What we should be concerned with is not what any redefined and reinterpreted writings of some one long dead cave dwelling jew was but instead, what is of worth and value in our lives, Is the here and now. and IF MJ, or Mushrooms are of value as tools for the understanding of the mind and perhaps even what some people have termed Soul, Enlightnment, "God" or "Simple Understanding". Then so be it. it's not really going to make a difference if the Jews or Christians did or didn't (they did) It's about bettering ourselves and opposing their brand of self delusion. We all know it's not about the truth but about a "dogma" that provides "lost people" a sense of belonging, grand purpose, promise of reward, punishment of enemies and feeling good about ones self after being all burdened with imposed guilt. never mind the facts or reality... this creationists dream is all about trying to make the square peg fit into the round hole. and they're serious about it too.... training lawyers to battle within the courts. Hope it doesn't' happen there as well.... another link [ 26. May 2005, 20:02: Message edited by: Flip ]

Now how in the hell is a 15 years old kid getting their hands on this stuff? Most likely it's not even MDMA but a cheap crap mix of who knows what. Kids do really dumb things... far too often. And knowing that you're own damn stupidity killed your own poor, sick mother is already heavy punishment indeed. But he will also "have to be" made a example of.. the sad thing is that there'll be a new crop of idiot kids that won't ever hear and learn from this. WTF is the kid doing with E? is there something special that a kid is going to learn at the mental stage of their life? I think that the asshat that provided it to him should also get something serious. IMHO MDMA, is intended for mature minds. [ 26. May 2005, 18:55: Message edited by: Flip ]

2b, Thanks and "I know..." Sorry, I'm not blaming anyone or any nation, certainly There are reasons why this individual has moved here and been able to plant these roots of "wtf?" Creach, yeah, and this SOB has too many damn kids too! GW Bush was elected (illegally?) by christain right wing for the first term (He ran publicaly as a moderate) and certainly stole the second election illegally. It's common knowledge among the thoughtful that we're in a corrupt cultural war right now within the United States and I'm sorry to say that they've managed to get the upper hand in many respects. The problem is that they've gained control over the reigns of the "free" media (Thanks Rupert M.), developed a cohesive base of support, are ORGANIZED and are engaged in a corporate globalization using the english speaking western governments as their mercenaries. There is no serious (par level) opposition to this movement as of yet but there are people who are aware and there will be a time of backlash.... and it fermenting. I just hope that the damage can be controled before it gets much, much worse.... and before the federal ID program takes full effect. Otherwise I fear that this nation may be the new coroprate version of the 3rd Reich. -I'm not kidding about this.- Oh, btw, today I had the Jehovah's Whitnesses knocked on my door again... What I noticed in our conversation is that they view the world highly dualistically, In stict terms of black and white. Incapable of abstract conceptualization. Not to mention, confined by their biblical dogma such Blind and Binding conditioning is very, VERY dangerious. [ 24. May 2005, 03:41: Message edited by: Flip ]

It's been available vit the bit torrent system for quite awhile I enjoyed it... better than the american pilot a few years back Oh yes, and Bllie Piper... thats a nice addition... indeed. She's got a unique look ya can't find opften in the states.

Nice idea but it really can't happen. Look at these 3 reactions to social "unaceptability" in the USA 1) Malcom X (Nation of islam), The Weathermen and the KKK 2) Dr. Martin Luther King (black civil rights), Womans Sufferage, the Modern Latin american push and the modern christain churchs. 3) Back to Africa Movement / Liberia (I'm at a loss for other examples) To sum it up, violence intimidation and bombings simply don't work. They end up being a expression of frustration at having a lack of control over the situation(s) at issue. (1) (2) Has been the most successful. the above board use of groups of people to make a reasoned effort in both the public forum as well as the court of law. Explaining why the attack upon "liberal judges" by the right is of MAJOR IMPORTANCE. If they manage to close that avenue of address then the society is totally fucked. Tthe placement of key officials and public figures into positions of power to guide the society to a "perferred" order. right now, there's a war over the american culture that many americans have yet to realize. (3) the least used is to basically run away as a admission of no potentional for influence upon the old system. Liberia is a great example, high hopes and lots of effort that ended in modern ruin. I think it's best to be organized among ourselves first and to get our collective acts together and then use that to influence the system like the wacko religious zeliots have been able to do. they're sole reason for bush being office. and they did it by being organized and clear about their goals. thats what we have to do in order to bring some sanity to the table.

I'm sorry as I realize that this is a aussie board however there are many "yanks" over here and this should be of general interest to all. Give an inch - they take a mile. quote: H.R. 1528, Defending America's Most Vulnerable: Safe Access to Drug Treatment and Child Protection Act of 2005, is one of the worse drug war bills that Congress has ever considered. Among other things, HR 1528: --Virtually eliminates the ability of federal judges to give sentences below the minimum sentence recommended by federal sentencing guidelines, essentially creating a mandatory minimum sentence for every federal offense (including both drug and non-drug offenses). --Expands the federal “three strikes and you’re out” law to include new offenses, including mandating life imprisonment (with no possibility of parole) for anyone convicted a third time under the RAVE Act. --Mandates a 10-year minimum sentence for anyone 21 or older that gives marijuana or others drugs to someone under 18 (i.e. a 21 year old college students gives a joint to his 17-year old brother). A second offense would be life in prison. --Expands what is considered to be a “drug-free” school zone to include almost any place in an urban area, and increases penalties for selling or distributing drugs in that area. (The result will be enhanced penalties for people in inner cities, while people in rural and suburban areas get less time for the same offense). --Mandates a 5-year minimum sentence for any person that commits a drug trafficking offense near the presence of a person under 18 or in a place where such person resides for any period of time. The sentence is 10 years if they are parent. (I.e. a mother that sells her neighbor a joint will get a 10-year minimum sentence, even if her kids were at school at the time). --Creates a new offense for persons who witness or learn about certain drug offenses that fail to report the drug offender to the police within 24 hours or fail to provide full assistance to the police in tracking and prosecuting the offender. Offenses that would get someone a 2-year minimum sentence, including failing to report a neighbor that is storing or selling drugs when that neighbor has kids, failing to report anyone that gives a joint to someone under the age of 21, and failing to report a college student that is selling marijuana on a college campus. --Mandates a 5-year minimum sentence for any person that offers, solicits, encourages, or induces a person enrolled in drug treatment, or previously enrolled in drug treatment, to purchase, possess or receive drugs. The full text of H.R. 1528 can be viewed by going to http://thomas.loc.gov/ entering “HR1528” in the search box, checking the “enter bill number” circle under the search box, and clicking “search”. If you're a american citizen I urge you to sign up and contact your representatives regarding this bill. Go here for more information and easy to sign forms.

As am I However, it's going to be much cheaper if we can get the seeds and cuttings sent out to us VS taking time off work, Traveling and doing all the legwork Not to mention language and trust issues. I think that the best thing we can do is collectively "reach out" and get someone down there to work with us on this. failing in this, a field trip may then be required. Still we should strongly promote the planting of seeds from valid sources over commerical and advertised cuttings. I don't know about "cold hardy as possible" as they can already take some snow and frost without damage. A blizzard and -30F may be another story and I don't think that they can be adapted to such extreme conditions (both desert heat and deep snow) [ 22. May 2005, 17:15: Message edited by: Flip ]

RJ I'm sorry but that isn't a option for me rather than that, I've shown this bill to a established friend... (some friends can be very connected and of use). He showed serious concern about it and was quick to offer making a few calls regarding it all since he was owed a few favors, having he's made nice donations to certain election funds. we then engaged in a hours worth of discussion regarding the failed drug war and I had a great chance to educate and explain my points of view that he had not thought about before... many of the things I presented he agreed with I don't know how much use this may be right now... but it's a start and something to build upon. in general we'll be victims of the system unless we're a part of it. that being the case, I rather work within the system than flee. because if I do... "they'll win" and woe to all afterwards.

YoWiE why? why do you desire it? thats my question.

ooooh... it looks like a huge green Katamari Damacy ball that's made it's way through a mexican peyote field. :cool:

yeah, seems like a rot problem best to dry the plant out you may even wish to transplant it into a better mix asap. I'm willing to bet the root mass has died back quite a bit do you have a pict? stay away from the commercial compost mixes use a lighter mix with much more sand and perlite make your own this time. [ 20. May 2005, 20:38: Message edited by: Flip ]

Sorry I for one don't buy the LSx theory. People tend to attribute things with those that they are aware of rather than let themselves be open to the possibility of something unknown. Deveance, from your source quote: I saw them only with the bicho de tacuara dried and without headsbut you missed it in the very next sentence mentioning something about why the heads are active (fungus?) Agamemnon, I do not know why the "white powder" is significant and should be noted I've got the same stuff on my bamboos Perhaps it's a dry excretion that allows for better "slippage" while the stalks grow at their legendary pace. Certainly it's a wax or oil as it's not water soluble. [ 20. May 2005, 20:27: Message edited by: Flip ]

Prostate cancer is just as bad for men. We really need to have more awareness of that issue as well. quote: Prostate cancer is the most common form of cancer, other than skin cancer, among men in the United States, and it is second only to lung cancer as a cause of cancer-related death among men. The American Cancer Society estimates that in 2003, about 220,900 new cases of prostate cancer will be diagnosed and 28,900 men will die of the disease.LINK More men would come out about it but it's treatment can result in the inability to have a erection. (if they survive) and who wants to admit that? [ 20. May 2005, 20:23: Message edited by: Flip ]

Ya know the more they advertise the increase in the suck factor Otherwise a good file will get "word of mouth" advertising as to how good it actually is... and therefore.. saving the cash Any large advertising "slam" is intended to max out the theaters and to get all the people in before word of mouth can spread.

First question what has your watering cycle been like? if it's been frequent and you've been keeping the soil moist then you may have a problem If it's been dry and infrequent you will want to give it a healthy drink droopyness is the result of not enough water (read hydraulics) to keep the non woody structures filled up and "firm" it's very stressful for the plant. Fungus gnats are the devils own creation (imho) often it's a good idea to let your soil dry out a bit and avoid using nitrogen rich composted potting soil although these are suckers off the main mother plant they shouldn't be in as great of danger if they were seedlings. In years past, I've lost hundreds of dollars worth of plants due to gnats and nowdays I always add a good old fly strip or two across the pots to pick the gnats off as they do their little mating dances. unless the pot is saturated, or "burned" with overfeeding... seems you just need to give it some water...

You know you've made it BIG as a sex symbol when something like this gets our huge international attention. Millions of men are going to be hurt if she has to let go of one of those...