Teotzlcoatl

But, it DOESN'T look like T. pachanoi. So what species is the "predominant cultivator", is the question I'm asking, I suppose. I think the "San Pedro predominant cultivator" and T. riomizquensis may be one in the same, or atleast closely related.

Haha, no... I guess your right about the pumice, but I think I'll leave the river sand, I'm sure it contains plenty of trace minerals. I'm adding worms and letting it compost, because things like manure, tea and urine need to compost... worms are supposed to be good for the soil and will speed up the composting process.

Ok, so the crazy one in pics 6 and 7 looks like the cactus in the thrid photo in Trucha's post #10 in this thread. I still have no idea what is, I'm just throwing that out there.

Wow! I think that might be the same clone as mine! It looks almost EXACTLY the same... Cool! Mine is just alitte bluer, but look at the spines and notching... What do you think? I am beginging to think mine is macrogonoid.... look at this thread- here Peruvianoids look like Mr.Smith's above photo. Ours look like T. macrogonus, if there is such a thing... I would like to see more pics of "true" T. peruvianus, if anybody has any...

My plan for getting some good soil for my Cacti... Cactus Soil- Sifted and Washed Coarse Sand Coarse Pumice Coarse Perlite Rich completely decomposed Loam A small amount of Cactus fertilizer Instructions- Once all the ingredients are mixed bake the soil at 500F for one hour. Organic Cactus Fertilizer- Composted Tea Wood Ashes Composted Leafs Horse, Goat, Cow or Sheep Manure (Chicken shit is to high in nitrogen) Gypsum (small amounts) Bonemeal Ground Hoof and Horn (small amounts) Urine Lake or River Silt Crushed Quartz Fish meal (small amounts) Seaweed meal Crushed Shells Crushed Limestone (small amounts) Cactus Clippings- skin, spines, etc. Coarse River Sand Coco Coir Live Worms Instructions- Allow all the material to compost in a container for 3-7 months. Notes- Study what trace elements and minerals exist in each species habitats and add them accordingly.

The "San Pedro predominant cultivator" does not look like what a T. pachanoi really looks like. According to Mr.Smith in this thread- here I make much of my assumptions off of his and other peoples work. And I would like to thank those people who have came before me and collected such a vast amount of knowledge. (Above photo by MMSmith) Look at Mr.Smith's post #9 in the linked thread above- See the "San Pedro predominant cultivator" photo posted. That's the usual clone we see here in the states, and we call it "San Pedro" and assume it is T. pachanoi... As soon as I got my T. riomizquensis from S.S., I looked at it and thought- "That looks like a San Pedro"... So I got to thinking... The "San Pedro predominant cultivator" clone is really T. riomizquensis. Maybe, maybe not.... I'm asking everybody what they think about this. I'll try to post a pic of my T. riomizquensis soon, sorry it's taking so long...

I heard Mammillaria craigii is one of the active ones. Here's all the info I could collect, though I can't confirm it... Trichocereus peruvianus ~ Vendor Name- "Serra Blue" ~178mm(7inchs) tall (From rim of pot) ~ Sep. 1st 2007 ~Nine Ribs; each 23mm thick(at base of rib); Rounded. ~Thickness (at base of main column) 89mm ~Blue-green Skin being frosty/misty sky-blue in appearance. ~V-shaped notches, around 3mm long above each areole . ~Thick red-bronze-dark brown spines which taper to a fine point. ~Spines are up to 32mm long and have 4-9(?) spines per areole; Having a single long spine and radiating shorter ones. ~The older central spines DO NOT swell at the point of attachment to the areoles. ~Small Tan-light brown tufts of very short fur cover areoles. ~Location of Origin-? Ariocarpus fissuratus 8-9 years old. Grows in southern Texas and northern Mexico. Utilized by the Tarahumara for it's medicinal and psychoactive properties; Said to be more powerful than Lophophora. Mammillaria craigii 'Peyote de San Pedro'A Mexican cactus highly valued by the Tarahumara. The roasted center of the cactus is squeezed into the ear to relieve headaches and earaches. Used as a stimulant by runners. The center of the cactus is ingested by well trained shamans, which puts one into a deep sleep full of brilliant visions. Supposedly it is now very popular in Australian dance rave culture.(I'm serious, that's what the catalog says, lol -Teotzlcoatl) It oozes a milky white latex if punctured. Coryphantha compacta, 4 years old. Native to Chihuahua, Mexico. Some Tarahumara shamans recognize it to be a powerful medicinal cactus and consider it to be a form of Hikuli or Peyote. Cactus- Trichocereus peruvianus Vendor Name-Trichocereus sp. "Luther Burbanks" Location of Origin- Most likely Chile Collector- Luther Burbank Cactus- Trichocereus riomizquensis Vendor Name- Trichocereus riomizquensis "FR856" Location of Origin- Campero, Cochabamba, Bolivia Collector- Seed collected by Friedrick Ritter in the late 1950s. Notes- A Pachanoid related to T. bridgesii and T. scopulicolus. Stats-~ 6 ribs. Cactus- Trichocereus pachanoi Vendor Name-Trichocereus sp. "Torres & Torres" Location of Origin- Northern Chile Collector- Manuel & Donna Torres. Cactus- Trichocereus peruvianus/macrogonus Vendor Name-Trichocereus Sp. "SS01" Location of Origin- ? Collector- ?

Hey everybody. I just got some new cacti from S.S. I got Trichocereus sp. "Torres & Torres" (Pachanoid) Trichocereus sp. "Luther Burbanks" (A Peruvianoid most likely from Chile) Trichocereus sp. "SS01" (Macrogonoid/Peruvianoid) Trichocereus riomizquensis Coryphantha compacta Ariocarpus fissuratus Mammillaria craigii And they are freaking awesome! I'm VERY interested in the psychoactive effects of the "false peyotes" (Not that I would ever eat them, I doubt the effects are very pleasurable and I've been scared shitless of entheogens ever sense my last mushrooms trip.) I'm also very interested in the origin of T. riomizquensis, looks like a regular pachanoi to me.. I'll post a bunch of pics toward the end of the month, but any discussion about the trichocereus or "peyotes" would be great.

I think this thread should be not only include discussion about useing trace minerals but also harvest times and other methods of increasing potency. Thanks Everybody!

Here's What I think... Pic 1 Looks like T.cuzcoensis but I really can't tell....you need a closer pic. If the spines swell at the point of attachment to the areole than it's likely cuzcoensis. Pics 6-8 I have no clue...Pics 6 and 7 look crazy tho! The rest look like T. pachanoi "San Pedro" But wait for someone with a bit more knowledge of the genus to confirm what I said...

I love seeing Trichs in their natural habitats... Thanks for posting. Is there a thread here about Trichocereus cacti in their natural habitats?

I know some cacti like Astrophytum, Aztekium and Lophophora grow better in soil that has gypsum or limestone added (which mimics their natural enviroment)... The book "Peyote and other psychoactive Cacti" by Adam G. states that trace minerals in the soil are VERY important espeically to mescaline producing cacti, but then again that book is full of type-O's and some false information...so....I donno... I do believe that mimicing cacti's natural habitats will result in better growth conditions, so I think it would be wise to add trace minerals when possible. I'd like to add that I think it's very important to use purely organic fertilizer with psychoactive plants and anything you put into your body.... I was thinking of useing some of the following for my cacti- Urine Composted Tea leafs Crushed Shells Crushed Limestone Gypsum River Silt I'm not so much concerned with having cacti which have a high potency as I am with having happy cacti that feel right at home in my basement or out on my porch.... I think some of them really believe they are in mexico Shh! Don't tell them! Now that sort of thing I find very interesting... Did you know Psycohtria leafs harvested in the morning have much more DMT than those leaves harvested in other parts of the day? You may be on to something, there. Bridgesii pupping due to rainfall??? Will you give me a link?

Good job! What's your climate like?

Does anybody have any more pics of this cactus?

Mr.Smith that is an awesome cactus!!!!

Sacred Succulents is both the source of much of the info and the source of the cacti. They are a really great company. Ya, I can't believe more people aren't interested in this... I find it VERY interesting...

A T. riomizquensis link- here

He should have measured it in inchs!

"Peyotes", "False Peyotes" and other psychoactive cacti (From Mr.Smith's Book, Thanks Mr.Smith) Ariocarpus agavoides A. fissuratus A. kotschoubeyanus A. retusus Armatocereus laetus Astrophytum asterias A. capricorne A. myriostigma Aztekium ritterii Carnegiea gigantea Coryphantha compacta C. elephantidens C. macromeris C. macromeris var. runyonii C. palmerii C. rosea Dolichothele longimamma Echinocactus spp. Echinocactus grandis E. grusonii E. visnaga Echinocereus salm-dyckianus E. triglochidiatus Epiphyllum sp. unknown Epithalantha micromeris Epostoa lanata Gymnocalycium spp. Leuchtenbergia principis Lophophora diffusa L. diffusa var. koehresii L. fricii L. jourdaniana L. williamsii L. williamsii var. caespitosa L. williamsii var. decipiens L. williamsii var. lutea Mammillaria spp. Mammillaria craigii M. grahamii M. grahamii var. oliviae M. heydeii Mamillopsis senilis Matucana madisoniorum Neoraimondia macrostibas Obregonia denegrii Opuntia cylindrica O. leptocaulis O. sp. unknown Pachycereus pecten-aboriginum P. pringlei Pelecyphora aselliformis P. pseudopectinata Selenicereus grandiflorus Solisia pectinata Strombocactus disciformis Trichocereus bridgesii T. grandiflorus T. macrogonus T. pachanoi T. peruvianus T. peruvianus (short spine) T. scopulicola T. sp. "Juul's Giant" T. sp. unknown T. terscheckii T. validus T. werdermannianus Turbinicarpus pseudomacrochele T. pseudopectinatus There may be more... I'm trying to do alot of research on "peyotes" and "false peyotes"... I plan to have most of them in cultivation... I wish I could get on the nook, I tryed sending them an email, but it wouldn't go through... So if anybody from the nook is here, please send me a message.

I'd look for Trichocereus if they have cacti...

I hope I'm ok saying this.... I'm not sure if I'm allowed to discuss vendors or not... But my source is the Sacred Succulents catalog and various internet sites... I don't think I will ever eat any of these cacti (or smoke them), I'd be scared. From what I can gather about T. riomizquensis it is closely related to T. scopulicola, T. bridgesii and T. pachanio. It is very close to the predominant cultivator of T. pachanio "San Pedro".

Check out Mr.Smith's book! A qoute from his book- "Such an example might be the use of certain cacti with the b-carboline containing Scirpus species known as "bakána," possibly creating a combined drug synergy similar to that of the South American hallucinogenic brew known as "ayahuasca."" It's probably the best book on the subject, Mr.Smith is a really smart guy and addresses some of the most mysterious data concerning these cacti.... to bad I don't have a copy....YET. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/South_Americ...cti/message/519 I too am very interested in the psychoactive effects of cacti other than trichocereus and lophophora.... espeically modern accounts of ingestion...

Well I'll add another little interesting qoute from my source- "Some mexicans have taken up the curious habit of smoking ariocarpus cactus for it's entheogenic effects"

Ya I always tell people how good fresh leaf works but the never seem to believe me.... People seem to think it takes like 10-50 leafs....HA! That because they're kratom is probably months or even years old... The fresh stuff works with just one small leaf (for me atleast) Same thing with Salvia d. If anybody can give me any info on exactly HOW kratom helps with diabetes, I'd be very greatful...I know a number of people who suffer from the aliment, including my father, and I'd like to help them anyway possible....

I'm not "blocked" or anything am i? Or are people just choosing not to say anything.... Sorry for asking such a dumb questions, but you'd be surprised by some of the things I've had done to me on other forums....