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It would be nice to see us have a CHOICE about taking such a drug/supplement at least. As for bar workers and such - as said smoking is part of the scene, and in my view they already accepted that they are going to breath smoky air by taking and keeping the job. No one these days is ignorant of the dangers of smoking/passive smoke - so if you knowingly put yourself in a situation where youll be around it, you simply have to accept the choice you made. IN the same line of thinking I think it should be up to individual businesses as to whether they allow smoking in their establishment - rather than systematically reducing the places where one can do so if they wish. Of course that shifts the responsibility back to the individual.... but governments seem afraid to let individuals choose much at all. Imagine a world where we could think for ourselves!

Gomaos - Ive got a lot of respect for your input here at SAB, as I usually find myself agreeing with your outlook on things. But IMO poppies can be quite addictive - but they are much the same as anything else,YMMV. For an elf I know it was found that if elfie switched from poppies to pot one day in 3 then things were fine. No more depression, got healthier and basically started getting it together. Basically Elfie was struggling - but a dose at night made the days bareable and the day he layed off meant his digestion never got too far out of wack, The pot also reminded Elfie that he had to eat occasionally.. At that rate Elfie was able top sustain a mild habit - without having withdrawals. Thats the system that worked for him anyway. Of course elfie didnt learn this tric overnight. He had to learn the hard way about WD's but I dare say thats something that everyone needs to go through - once the worst is over its a good time to take a hard look at the way youve been living. Of course sometimes the system failed - like when elfie's poor back decides to spasm and the pain makes laying off for the day a not so very nice idea - but having been there before you know just how much worse its going to be for every day you dont lay off. So in a nutshell - poppies are great - I can totally understand why they have been cherished by humans forever - but they just arent an every day thing, else the beautiful can turn very ugly indeed. FS

I have to agree a bit about the SOMNI forum, I can only take so much of it myself, but I still think its the place to go for anything relating to poppies - it may take a hell of a lot of sifting but if opiates are your poison then the siftings worthwhile. Im all for poppy discussion here too - Its nice to get as mmuch discussion going as possible.

hehe maybe I missed something in the report but it basically seemed to say that someone who toke's all the time is more likley to crash while stoned than a person who only smokes "occasionally" Isnt that just maths? if I spend 10 of my 12 waking hours stoned then im more likley to crash my car stoned than the guy down the road that lights up once a decade is... **wonders if people get paid to do these studies... I could manage better than that in the other 2 hours ** I think the only way society will ever be safe is when the powers that be finally realise the need to outlaw brains! lobotomies at birth for all! insert a little chip with a link back to the main frame and humanity will be reduced to the mindless automotons required by the status quo. You see our own brain ultimately affects our cognitive state (and lets face it - brians can produce some rather nifty drugs of their own). Have you ever seen someone who goes driving whenever they get sad? and by sad I mean cant see through the tears sad? replace sad with any other emotion - anger - even bliss, the result is the same - someone who is in no fit state to drive. In the end the individual needs to know honestly themselves. But it matters not, as laws will continue to florish until thinking's outlawed. But dont mind me - Im jaded. FS

I think I remeber this. Didn't Strike turn out to be the head of a chem supplier that he reccomended regularly? Wasnt the Hive bee logo visible at some stage during the interview? I wouldnt mind seeing a copy anyway if you have it up somewhere for download. FS

Lo all I thought id throw in my 2 cents as poppies are .... well lets just say SWIM likes them alot. first off - unless your really craving the sensation of smoking O Id sugges abandoning scoring the pods - its just too hit and miss - slice too far and all the goodies leak inside the pod, also for those concerned with legalities scoring leaves proof of intent to manufacture... not to mention you'd need to process the entire patch to get a decent amount. From what Ive read the only part of the plant to avoid is the roots - leaves stems and *drools* pods are all good. If you happen to be chemically inclined im sure you can isolate goodies from the roots too - but for the rest of us its prolly safer to avoid them. As for tassies and Thebaine - yeah there is a variety bread for Thebaine content (I think its called the Norman strain but dont quote me) as its used for lots of things - like pethadine. But most tassies ae still super potent poppies. Mindmelt - I sympathise, but Im also totally jealous - a patch of poppies like that would make me very happy! Seriously tho - try Wastl's recipie before giving up, it should work as good as any. Also take the advice Slarty gave and hit the somni forum - there you will find almost every question you ever had about poppies covered - twice - but it is the place to go for all things O related. where legal you could also try brewing yourself a tea, take a number of pods (start small for your own sake) empty the seeds out - chop/blend/grind the pods add water and lemon juice and simmer for 15min, gag down the lot or filter and sip - add honey or whatver for taste. Once again the somni forum has copius debate over which is the best method and dosage and such. In the end tho - the poppy is a plant that treats everyone differently so you really have to find out for yourself. Oh and someone above said you might only OD a little bit - Dont be a fool - thats like saying a datura extract is a nice safe trip. Respect poppies as you would anything else or they will bite. Its quite simple take too much and you die. play safe. later FS PS If all else fails mindmelt emial me your address and I'll take a holiday *lol*

Rev : If morphine makes you "sick as a dog" then its possible your one of the poor unfortunates that is allergic to morphine. I know a few poeple like that. One person I know died on the operating table (and was revived) becuase she was given a morphine based anasthetic (sp?) instead of a pethadine based one. For others the difference is hours of sickness - opposed to a quick recovery. As far as I can tell - opium is great for the vast majority - some, like myself never get any nausea, whereas others get real sick - so sick that the effects just arent worth it. Is it also possible that your one of the "lucky" ones who dont metabolise codeine properly and it works REALLY well for? For Robert - I dont know if this would explain it or not, but there is a variety of Tas. poppies that is high in Thebaine, which can be toxic in humans. Might be worth looking into. FS

Lo all I went walking today and found what looks very much like a Datura stramonium. Its only about 50cm tall - and it has two spikey pods and the flowers look white - but they arent fully out so I cant tell for sure. Anyway - Id like to transplant it to my garden and was wondering if there are any special techniques, or if Id be better off just harvesting the seed and starting from that? On that note how does one tell when the seeds are ripe? Thanks FS

Hey Monkeydance - thanks for the tip, That was pretty much what I was going to try. Im still curious as to whether there are any visible signs to determin when the pods are mature? I mean if Ive only gotta wait a couple of weeks or so for the seeds Id be silly to try an transplant before then. But on the other hand - the plant might get killed before then without my help Oh Decisions

Hmm... I thought that might be the case. Ill just have to wait for the seed, and hope it survives where it is. Thanks

quote: ... you have a nation of uneducated boobs who are armed to the teeth hehe - dosent that kinda describe the US not to mention some of the rednecked rural communities Ive seen... But I totally agree, anyone who uses any kind of weapon should be trained in how to use it safely and effectively. But seeing as having our government arm us for our own protection is about as likley as Bush deciding that he was wrong and recalling all the troupes its really not something to worry about. Wouldnt things just be so much better if the world were run by sensible people. FS

Lo all While I agree that an armed populace would be a nice security measure, I dont think it could replace a defensive force. I believe it would help lower the crime rate in the country, as trying to commit a crime against someone who can lethally resist is less appealing. But imagine for a second that the americans (or for that matter anyone with most any kind of military) invaded... Yeah - it'd be nicer to go out trying to defend yourself rather than waiting to be... dealt with, but it still wouldnt be effective. little guns cant shoot down planes and tanks and missiles, not to mention that military is TRAINED. As it stands it would be nice if we were armed as our military is a joke - which is exactly why the government feels the need to suck up to our "very close allies" if this country ever faces invasion we'll be stuffed if our allies dont come and bail us out. IMO an armed populace can only augment the defencive power of the military. Id feel a hell of a lot more secure now if the pollies hadnt spent the last 20 years trying to disarm the populace. later FS

Lo there Torsten Thanks for the insights. Im glad to hear the throat wasnt serious. It didnt phase me overly at the time as Ive had a couple of things do that to me - but when I woke up and couldnt see properly I started reccolecting and got a little paranoid. One other thing I found was that it was good for pain. I know it prolly isnt the safet thing to use as a pain killer, but it worked. I was trying to stick to smallish doses - but as said - I had this dream all week - and was increasing the dosage as the week went on (had about 30gm of leaf - have about a fifth left) I started just smoking it -by itself to test it out - then with MJ (and your right - is quite nice... even if the metallic taste in the mouth is a bit odd) But I found I didnt get much effect smoking it straight - and ran out of bud. Then I decided to try a small infusion - and found it quite nice (thats when I found it was good for pain) The infusion that resulted in the constriction of the throat and vision problems was only a little bigger(4 heaped teaspoons instead of 3), but there was proportionally less stem, and I believe it was powdered more (measured by volume) Thankfully Im not too reckless or that lapse in judgement could have been worse... I gotta get me a set of scales one of these days. At the very least I should have ground it all up in an effort to standardise it. Oh - I also found that it worked quite nicely in conjuction with codeine (only opiate I had on hand) Overall - the effects are hard to describe - as said I didnt get open eyed visuals... well I didnt get very intense ones... but there was some definate wierdness. But the entire week, minus a few breif spells of "reality" was like a really vivid dream... and I often had trouble remembering what was real and what had been dream. I would like to explore this one futher - and try some other combinations. But I will have to wait till I find myself someone who can act as a sitter. Im not going to be increasing my dose anymore without some backup. I spose there are some drawbacks to being solitary. Thanks again FS

Lo all Ive just recently dreamed of trying this out. 2 cones mightnt be enough, but increase with care. In my dream I found the effects werent all that spectacular when a little was smoked. But is was quite good as spin. And when people say this stuff creeps up on you they arent kidding - I just recently came back to reality after spending a week or so dreaming about brug (dreaming is kinda the right word - the entire week seems like a dream) I woke up in the morning and had lost close range vision. The night before I dreamed I injested what turned out to be slightly too much. Severe relaxation - none of the intense hallucinations Ive read about, but it was a bit trippy none the less. In my dream I remember coming to, and finding my throat restricted, and having to force myself to draw breath - it was a bit of an effort to keep it up , but I was back to normal in a short time. But that was kinda scary (or at least it is a bit scary now that I think about it) but that aside all was good. So - anyone with more experience than me care to tell me just how close I came to doing myself some serious damage? Anyway - you should get some effects from smoking - just relax and let it happen - and if it dosent, smoke a little more. later all FS

Lo all Im a Nirvana fan myself but I have very fond memories of spending a month curled up with a good firend listening to Tool... Less fond are the WD's that followed - but a worthwhile experience none the less FS

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Lo all Im curious about the 1,4-Butanediol. What are the legalities around this one? I assumed it would be like GBL (or am I wrong and thats still available too?) Where would be a good place to start looking for it - for cleaning purposes of course Im also curious as to where people source some of the analougs I read about, with the odd alphanumeric names (before they get banned). As far as plants go I (yeah - it is a strange name for an elf) likes HBWR's with some rue, and has a real fondness for Peonies. Would I (the afore mentioned elf) be right in the assumption that peonies are legal to grow? the line would be crossed by consumption or slicing the pod - but growing should be fine... anyway - later all FS

Lo there Sorry for coming in a bit late - but I have a little xeperience in this field. The horrors of withdrawal have already been glossed over... trust me when I say that. Being said Im of the opinion that if you can keep it together then you need never experience it. If you decide daily medication is for you - you will - no two ways about it. But once youve been through it once or twice you'll learn that as long as you take a break every so often you can keep those icy hands off your spine. As for it leadimg to Smack - No offence - but are you completly brain dead? If you even consider it as a posibility once you get a opium habit going it will become a probability - especially if as you claim you can grow a lot. By the time you really need that fix - youll need it so bad you wont even consider what kind of low life scum your buying it off - or what they actually sold you. My advice - forget H exists - dont even think about Pharm. Grade Morph. Remove the option of spiking a vein from your mind and you might just stand a chance. In short if YOU think it could lead to H - it probably will. FS

Hi all Im fairly sure this stuff grows all over the place around here. But im not sure on the actual species, all Ive ever been able to acertain is that its called Deadly Nightshade, and the berries are poisonious. I really need to get a Digi cam so I can take some photos for some identification help. But now that I know how to save the seeds Ill grab some whenever I find them (there is a 1.5m tall one I know of around) But the question I have is - what are the uses of this plant, would there be any recreational value for the gnomes? could they smoke the leaves - or would that kill them? Ive always been curious about this one just because there is so much of it around. Also when harvesting the seed - would gloves be required, or arent the berries that toxic? thanks FS

Ive been poisionng my system with venlafaxine for 6 months - not fun at all - feeling much better off it. FS

Lo all im just curious as to what the difference between food grade med grade and auto grade is? my local hardware shop - a big blue one sells big assed tanks of food grade, as well as all sizes in between, theres also med grade Oxygen and a bunch of welding gasses. Lucky for me they just think I wanna make cars go fast and blow things up etc. but I have been witing for a special occasion to grab a big tank - I was thinking maybe I should grab some of he oxy as well - but thats starting to sound technical... As far as I know you only pass out and die if you breathe nitrous with nothing else for too long, right? my only experience with nitrous was in a highschool science class - I finished early and was going to sleep when I had this neat idea and asked the teacher if I could go play in the lab - he said no (he was a nice guy but knew me too well) and asked why I wanted to, So I explained (truthfully believe it or not) and he went and got the ingredients himself and sent me off to play in the fume cupoard now I know it was only a 30 second headspin, but its practically the only science class I remember from my last year at highschool! later FS

Lo everyone just a quick note (I WILL keep this short)to say that such a conference would have my complete support. If I could be any kind of assistance Id be more than happy to drive over and lend a hand. FS