PD.

bastid! I lost my turbinies a while ago now, snails got two and the other couple got left out during winter with the gymnos by mistake, i think the gymnos beat them up and gave them rot. Thats the only explanation i could come up with, there were mamms there but they are scared of the gymnos so i dont think they had anything to do with it though i bet they didnt help the poor lil turbinies while the gymnos were floggin the crap out of them!

Lmao, if that caespit is 20 years old then im the president of nambia, i also own 3 cargo carriers that are converted to a 34 star cruise liners for the 7428 wives i have. The colour on the main head of the larger one seems normal ime, my larger one often has shades of red and purple on the older growth where new pups are going to push thru. I wonder how this seller is getting away with selling lophs on ebay, i get pinged as soon as i list them with any name and dont bother even trying anymore. I guess some ppl watch and report sellers they know and/or dislike.

I took some tape off some grafts, looks like they have all taken, more crests and lophs to spread around Misted the bloody loph seedlings then patted my big lophs. I kicked an old pedro that had fallen over with his mate who were obviously drunk last night, i then stared at the rest of the plants in the immediate area and told them to get fucked, it rained the other day so suck it up ya not gettn anything from me today, then i went inside and glared at them through the window. I could hear them laughing at me, smart arses.

Flower or pup forming as already mentioned, will heal as usual.

Its strange, a few ppl that i sent this seed to have told me they got a degree of variegation with the seedlings though i cannot recall even getting one lol it was a long time ago when i grew them though and no doubt they copped my usual neglect so some may have perished. I have a small amount left so will put it down and see if i can get results. The only cross ive done that i have had large percentage of vari was the whiora x pach pc, well over 60% vari prolly closer to 80% but they are fragile as you may well know and the ones that have some ribs normal grow all funky due to the normal growth growing faster than the vari parts. I neglect them too much, just wish i had the time to graft them all, they are slow to get to size but they get there none the less even with the pittance of attention they get from me.

That one in the pic just looks like a lil trich seedling. I have one popping up in my tray of lophs atm but they are all my own seeds and no doubt with the amount of seeds from trichos scattered all over the place here it just bounced in at some point or fell of my clothes into the loph tray. Keep growing it, it may turn out to be something nice.

Nah looks like the same one EG, the seller is Hamiltons.

If its from the seed i sent you then it would be J1 x pach

What is the other parent wt?

Jebus mate, cant believe ya gon cut up the one and only lol, cuttn that bridgie would be like cutting off ya fingers If ya gettn rid of any of ya TBMs ill grab em and if ya still got taya and gettn rid of ill grab her too. Grafted loph far left of pic, very interested, what var mate? This man looks after his plants ppl, the weeds in some pics may say otherwise but the growth on some inbetween my visits i couldnt believe.

Looking good mate, take care of that baby wont ya.

Been a while since i have read/seen this thread. Simply it is as jabez says, all evidence and stories that could be relied upon as truth/fact were lost long ago and all is merely speculation regardless of the desire for it to be otherwise. One thing though i missed last time, From what i have read, boiling liquid was simply done with large shells or even bark "troughs" via the use of stones from a fire, easy. From boiling liquid to using this knowledge to produce any kind of tryptamine brew is a long long shot. The use of mushrooms i have found little written about but from some accounts certain mushrooms were strictly not for use/consumption. More than likely for reasons of toxicity but if one was to assume that trypts were used then wouldnt subs for example be the most obvious choice........... then i guess you get into the old argument as to whether or not subs are introduced lol. Many accounts of miners and early settlers eating fungi and having "experiences". Dont ask me for refs though, cant recall where i read the articles or if they were of substance at all, too long ago now but no doubt easy to find on the www. Some things we would love to be true but there is just no evidence to back up the speculation and highly doubtful there ever will be. Another thing, i thought that the "meeting place" on the mountain was womens business and it was women that led whites up the mountain when they first ventured up there, the track used is where the road is now, well, that is, apparently.

Looks to be the same type of tricho crest that was sold on ebay last year. Myself and 2 others were lucky enought to snag one. 4 days left on these ones. crest 1 Crest 2 With a bit of luck someone here can score these things and do so a lil more cheaply than we did lol, then graft graft graft Im guessing the original stock came from hamiltons as thats where the last ones on ebay were sold from and they look like the lil peru seedlings they sell, they (hamiltons) werent at all helpful with my questions last time though!

Does look like the Akira plant, which is as mentioned from unknown origins, apparently a T grandflorus x of sorts. The akira i have and a few others here have is was from a guy that used to sell a heap of lophs and knew his plants although he wasnt the greatest to deal with at times so who knows where this plant comes from. Even when called cereus it is still of unknown parentage apparently. I havent done an areole graft on this one, was gunna but never did. I have this akira thing and another cereus which is very very similar but there are differences...... Might do some today, got some stock rooted, i guess i can waste one for the cause It props very easily btw.

Apparently grafting areoles from a crest is a good way to find out what the plant would look like if growing normally, you will get a regular column plant rather than a crest.

Nice one SM, hopefully it keeps growing in that fashion. I have a couple of strange ones from that batch but the older ones have reverted to normal growth unfortunately . One terminated at the tip and has done nothing for a long time now, i expect it will shoot out a pup from somewhere, snags style. Have a couple of the terscheckXpsycho0 that are growing snags style also. She looks happy and healthy, good work

Thanks for sharing that one mate, looks awesome. Hopefully the fruit sets and we get to see the offspring. I had a crested flower pop out of something not long back, plant was standard growth, cant recall for the life of me what it was though now ha. Was nowhere near as good as that monster though!

well the rosei clone was called as such due to the fact robert calls that particular peruvi rosei, and he has two, one a short spine and one a long spine, hence rosei one and two, which is again roberts naming of them. From memory rosei was a somewhat accepted name for peruvianus quiet some time ago. I have always called it a peruvi when asked, t peruvianus "rosei" same as i would label T bridgesii "psycho0". I think there is a thread around about the whole rosei thing, the name was kept out of respect for Rob but all agreed it is a peruvi. Sharxx had two peru clones he considered rosei, well he sent me two. One was a lot different but is an awesome blue peruvi, even moreso than rosei 1. The other is so close to rosei 1 im yet to make a descision for myself and my own labelling, for now they are tagged sharxx ;) They are the ones from the bendigo garden. Should cross them and see what the outcome is perhaps. I have a lot of yowie in ground and see the thing you mention, that is, dark patches, also a light colour very occasionally which if yellow would be considered variagation, i think it has more to do with the nutrient/moisture uptake than the genetics but you could well be right it is a different clone.

i dont have any room at all ha! Yeh i need to get some arse miners in to relieve my nether regions. Might build a new shadehouse before winter, maybe two. Need one for TBMs and one for lophs so nah fuk it, three, need one for seedlings too. If interbeing visits a few more times things will be lighter, he cant resist a nice clump of tricho seedlings and is an awesome arse miner

Yeh i understand what you are saying zac, though i consider the rosei clone to be the peru from fields as it is a peru, yet by him the old and defunct name of T rosei is still attached to it when it is now, for some time considered peruvianus. Yes it is a distinct clone but for a while a member was selling another peruvi as rosei which turned out to be different. It is similar but overall different and from a different collection entirely than fields. Norma is another peru that is similar and as yet im to grow it to maturity but im told is different again from rosei. The yowie clone is rather distinct and i have not seen a tricho of pachanoi bent with the two needle thin downward pointing spines on mature columns, this yowie clone though, like sausage, super pedro, pc pach and many a different bridgesii seem to have made their way around the country long ago which is no surprise. I have sausage plant from vic, SA and WA and all are the same clone afaic, i have yowie from SA and two locations in vic and all are the same clone, super pedro is everywhere also and it is an easy one to distinguish though many names have been applied to it. There is no way im gon try and tell someone what to call their plant but if trying to attach an already in use name to a clone of unknown origins i think it best to at least try find out where it was sourced or ask for a collective opinion on ID as like i said, the more obvious clones are easy to tell apart from the crowd. Not havin a go at anyone at all here btw! God knows myself and other breeders have made things more complicated for future tricho collectors by hybridising (or mongrelising if that suits you better) but as long as things are labelled the history of the plant will be easier to find out if so desired. Many of the plants i have applied a name to i have done for simplicity and memory of where I sourced the plant. For example the yowie clone was originally spotted by a member here who told me about it as i lived close by. I went along and found it to be a different looking tricho to what WE as a community had floating around. There was quiet a bit of material available and so lots of it was sent around, over time others have found mother plants which are obviously the same clone. It is much easier calling it yowie rather than "that plant that yowie told PD about with the double downward pointing spines which looks like a pachanoi of sorts" especially when replying to 20 PMs about the same plant. Most named clones have a story behind them, others are from big collections and are so different many people desire them, incognito named psycho0 as such when he got it for personal reasons and the name stuck out of respect, super pedro was named by the owner of cactus country and has called it that for 20 odd years, snags, cant recall who coined that one but it is self evident lol, eileen, a gift from Eileen to Ed and so on. So afaic, the naming thing does serve a purpose and help keep track of desirable or unusual/sporty clones but only when ppl stick to what is what whether it be a new one they find and spread around to many ppl, use for breeding or an old fat chunk of eileen they buy from SAB classifieds. When an in use name is just slapped onto any plant someone finds without growing it out or really really looking at it/asking things are gonna get twisted and there will be plants with the same name that are well different and ppl just wont care anymore. Then youll have a garden full of bridgies pach and peru, which will be simple but boring as hell lol "who cares where i got it, its a pachanoi so gtfo". I guess it would make for a nice lot of ID arguements though, everyone loves a nomenclature fight.................. I still wish it got named "the terminator" rather than the sausage plant The naming thing is only really relevant to us here though and even then a lot of ppl just dont care about it they just want a nice plant. Ok, i have had a bit too much tonite, time to stfu, i prolly contradicted myself in that lot, things are getting messy in this lil brain, nigh nighs. Might wanna check with sharxx on the origins of those ones mate ;). He had another peru similar to rosei for awhile, not rosei but an awesome blue number none the less

Ill take some scop x spach.

The plant you showed a pic of in your other thread with the tiny pups looked rosei ish. No way to be sure though, maybe ask the owner where they sourced the original plant(s)? Not much point throwing clone names around though unless you are sure of the origins or its such a highly distinct clone its ID is not really questionable.

peruvianus. I very much doubt the pups will end up monstrose, just looks like some pups do, ribs shifting and so on.

Some spines do seem to have the downward kink in them, others have an upward bend. Yowie also has the distinct downward kink/bend in the spines although much more pronounced than the sausage. Some spines are swollen at the base also on snags.

http://www.shaman-au...item&item_id=14 - Yowie http://www.shaman-au...item&item_id=13 - J collection http://www.shaman-au...item&item_id=12 - Bridgesii collection