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  1. Auxin

    Nutmeg

    Sure, responsable use may pose little danger at all. However, don't you think it is better to err on the side of caution? You keep saying there is no human data, wrong. There is human data, just not much clinical human data. Prison inmates are the 'test group' for most studies. This page: http://www.inchem.org/documents/pims/plant/pim355.htm has human data, its long so I'll sum up some main info: 7.2 Toxicity 7.2.1 Human data 7.2.1.2 Children Death by nutmeg intoxication has been reported by Cushny (Weil, 1964) in an 8-year-old boy after consuming 2 nutmegs. 7.3 Carcinogenicity Safrole is a known mild hepatocarcinogen. Although safrole itself is not carcinogenic, it is metabolized to form 1'-hydroxysafrole which is carcinogenic. Data are not available on the carcinogenicity of nutmeg itself. 9.2 Chronic poisoning 9.2.1 Ingestion Chronic poisoning by oral administration has caused temporary (up to six months) psychosis in prison inmates. 9.4.5 Hepatic Hepatic necrosis in heavy poisoning. Fatty degradation of liver. You can find more human data, just look around the net. And OK, that 99% isn't clinical fact so I take it back. Nor is it purely scare tactics that I pulled out of my A... uh HAT. OK numbers may have been presumptuous, but it is an educated guess formed by the observation of a strong general trend built up from my years of reading about chemical toxicity that there is a undeniably frequent correlation between hepatotoxicity of simple non-polar aromatic hydrocarbons in rats vs. humans. And the fact is that we don't have any hepatic miracle drugs that will reverse liver damage (closest thing is the silymarin complex obtained from milk thistle seeds) also the liver transplant list is so long that many, many people die while waiting for transplants, so I do not advise taking the risk. You are, however, your own person so you can do what the f*** ever you want, just tell a family member what you are doing so if you die we will have another data point for people to ignore. And dont even get me started on root beer, its very dilute, modern stuff uses very little of the historical ingredients, and safrole is not water soluable- so that decreases the content even more (way, way more). [excuse any bluntness, potential for hepatotoxicity makes me mad. All my best friends are being taken away because they turned out to be poisoning my liver (benzene carbon tet, chloroform, CH2Cl2, all the good stuff) and I cant do my proposed research project on synthetic flavonoid antihepatotoxins/hepatorejuvanatives because they wont let me do animal research and even if they did I dont have the money, and even if I did those chemical supply houses make getting stuff hell, and theres always the homegrown US terrorist, scientist burning, insane tree-hugger scum that would firebomb my house for trying to save their messed up lives... damned ALF sons a' friggin bi.. killing people to save rats, what the hell!?! OK I'll stop now before you rename me chemical shaman 2.]
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    Nutmeg

    OK, people eat nutmeg as a spice and it doesn't hurt them, but we are talking about massive/ non-spice consumption. That makes things different. A sip of wine may be good for your cardiovascular system, but a liter of vodka is lethal. Wine contains some methanol, but if you drink purified methanol you go blind. Coco leaf tea lets you breathe thin air, but purified cocaine kills. If I were me, I would take the hepatotoxic warnings about safrole SERIOUSLY. Hawleys Condensed Chemical Dictionary (1993): Safrole- Toxic by ingestion, may not be used in food products (FDA), a carcinogen. Dr. Duke: Safrole- carcinogenic, hepatocarcinogenic, mutagenic, neurotoxic, etc. If wishing that things were not toxic made them non-toxic I would wash my hands with carbon tetrachloride, my hair with chloroform, and I would drink acetone to rid my body of excess cholesterol. Unfortunatly it doesn't work that way, SORRY! Granted it is technically possible that they were wrong about safrole, but is it really worth it to risk your life on that one in a thousand chance. It has been proven over and over that if a non-polar compound as simple as this one destroys rat livers there is AT LEAST a good chance that they will destroy human livers too. Besides, I remember reading that there was proof of human liver damage due to safrole in several people, unfortunatly I cant find it right now, perhaps someone else can refresh my memory as to where these pesky data points went. [This message has been edited by Auxin (edited 09 May 2002).]
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    Nutmeg

    "Safrole can be presumed to be safe until further tests."- Theobromos WRONG! Things should be presumed to be dangerous until furthur tests show otherwise. Radium cyanide has never been tested in humans, that doesn't mean it should be presumed safe! (an extreme example, I know, but you get the point right?)
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    Erythrina tryptamines??

    I agree with Torsten, the 'onion' smell is probably due to some simple unsaturated organic sulfides and/or disulfides- like allyl sulfide for instance. The cat piss smell is probably ammonia, either that or some low molecular weight amines- like methylamine for example. Both ammonia and methylamine occur in many plants.
  5. Mesqualero, perhaps entheogens let you SEE the inner deamons rather than 'awakening' them. Many people don't know the nature of the deamon, so they don't know how to stop it. Now that you have felt it's presance and seen what it can do, you can work past it. After all, how can you stop violent or irrational thoughts if you do not know their source or nature? You see yourself as less sane because you have touched the part of yourself (and all people) that is insane. Having seen this part and (presumably) not having been overpowered by it, you are probably more sane now than ever. Tame the beast and the malicious destroyer is transformed into a benevolent creator. Thats what I tell people when they call me insane anyway.
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    Erythrina tryptamines??

    I have been told many times that the color of 'poo' is from the bile acids, most notably glycocholic acid and taurocholic acid. One time I erroniously used hot water to make a bile salts solution (of refined technical grade bile salts) and the (fairly concentrated) solution turned more black/brown than normal and smelled strongly like 'poo' minus the scatole and indole. The bile acids are not "decomposition products" at all, they are steroids produced by the body to serve a important role, and that is the transport of fats, non-polar vitamins, and such out of the food bits and into the wall of the intestine where they are carried away and used. Heres some more crappy trivia: Cholic acis is the main product of the hydrolysis of bile (commercially obtained from 'poo') and they use this as a food emulsifying agent (upto 0.1% in the USA). It is no wonder that school food always tasted so shitty!
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    Shakira anthrax scare

    At this point you don't have to worry too much about ebola. Ebola kills people so fast that it just doesn't spread very far. AIDS takes years to kill and is not even diagnosed in the first year (normally) so thats why it spread like wildfire. AIDS is what will kill a billion people. WTF, why haven't people found a cure to a single virus yet? We can send a man to the moon and build a single bomb that will destroy the world, but we cant cure the common cold, AIDS, flu, warts, nothin'. A virus is just a DNA/RNA filled baloon made of protein, please fund the sciences so we can learn how to pop those damned baloons.
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    research chemical death....

    Your saying that 5-MeODMT and 5-MeODIPT are legal in your country? Are you sure? [This message has been edited by Auxin (edited 04 May 2002).]
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    Shakira anthrax scare

    Anthrax is often bound to minerals and clays like bentonite, concrete powder, etc... Dont let anyone mess with your samples until your sure you are not going to die (a week or two should do it). If you get sick, give your samples to the feds on the way to the hospital. The anthrax that was used against the US was fatal without treatment. Luckily it was not genetically weaponized (just physically weaponized), otherwise we'd be in real trouble.
  10. Heres an idea: It seems the catagory 'Magic & Witchcraft' is underused, so what if it were changed to something like 'Magic & Entheospirituality' ??? This would broaden the definition enough so when people want to talk about entheogen spirituality, talking plants, flying purple singing elves type stuff they could go there instead of having it get burried in the shamans chill space. What do ya' think?
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    Agave

    Then why does Dr. Duke call it mescal? "Agave sisalana PERRINE (Agavaceae) -- Hemp Plant, Mescal, Sisal, Sisal Agave, Sisal Hemp" -Dr. Duke
  12. In the US we have (the unofficial and illegal) hashish month. It is every fourth january. (Thats when people start to realize just how psycho the idiot they elected president really is. At that point hashish is a MUST! Either that or you can join the army to take part in the new presidents personal, illegal, and officially undeclared holy war against drugs/terrorism/communism/non-christians/freedom/anyone that produces oil and is not named Bush/gays/lesbians/the opposing political party/anyone who mentions hashish month... UH OHHH I'm in trouble now!)
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    Agave

    Ok, somehow that link didnt seem to work, heres the link to Dr. Dukes mainpage: http://www.ars-grin.gov/duke/
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    Agave

    The phytochemical constituents of Agave sisalana (mescal) can be found on Dr. Dukes site, heres a link: Ooops. See next post. [This message has been edited by Auxin (edited 26 April 2002).]
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    Everyones favorite topic.

    One of their proposed policies is "Equal rights for gays and lesbians" How far away from this is Australia? My country got it to about 70% equality for gays & lesbians and we seem to have gotten stuck their. Virtually no marriage alowed, little adoption alowed, unfair taxes, and homosexual sex is illegal in about 30% of the states! Those are the main problems that remain in the USA. How about you?
  16. If you plan to grow a plant checking the drug laws is not enough! You must also check the noxious weed laws and any other plant restrictions that apply. Many plants are illegal not for their phytochemical constituents, but rather for their ability to destroy the ecosystems of entire continents. For instance, in my area milk thistle (not a drug, but a great liver medicine [seeds]) is illegal to grow because its a 'class A noxious weed', I'm lucky I found out about noxious weed laws before planting a whole crop of milk thistle! The fines would have been heavy, $750 (USD) for the first offense (year) and $1000 (USD) for any subsequent offense. And thats the fine you get for EACH SPECIES of class A noxious weeds found growing on your property in my state. Grow With Caution. Knowledge gives power, and ignorance gives massive monetary fines.
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    TRAGEDY STRIKES!!!!!!!!!

    Gem, your name is Tom isnt it?
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    Forum Name

    A good thought at that. 'Spirituality, magic and consciousness' has my vote. Just one question remains, where is the moderator? Wazron? ... Wazron? WAZRON!?!
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    Forum Name

    Yes spirituality would incorporate witchcraft (and all religions). 'Magic and spirituality' sounds like a good idea, kinda all encompasing.
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    Wanted, Cytisus Scopartus.

    Scotch broom is illegal in SE Australia. It is classified as a 'noxious environmental weed'. It kills rare orchids and other flora/fauna. When checking legality you must remember to check the noxious weed list in addition to the drug laws. If it were possible to grow this inside in such a manner that it would be impossible for a seed to escape it MIGHT be legal. I suggest, since your state is infested with the stuff, find a infestation and help to clear it.
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    Wanted, Cytisus Scopartus.

    Scotch broom is illegal in SE Australia. It is classified as a 'noxious environmental weed'. It kills rare orchids and other flora/fauna. When checking legality you must remember to check the noxious weed list in addition to the drug laws. If it were possible to grow this inside in such a manner that it would be impossible for a seed to escape it MIGHT be legal. I suggest, since your state is infested with the stuff, find a infestation and help to clear it.
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    Catha edulis seed

    Hey Y'all, dont forget that khat is illegal in many places including southern australia (schedule 9) and the USA.
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    Catha edulis seed

    Hey Y'all, dont forget that khat is illegal in many places including southern australia (schedule 9) and the USA.
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    Forum Name

    Thelema is right, not all of us believe in magic. However, having it in the title does little more than leave the option there for those who wish to use it. Also right is the statement that not all ethnobotany people use entheogens. However, this is the spiritual/religious segment of an ethnobotany site, and that usually relates to entheogens, even if they are not used as such (like a bible garden). So again I think it just leaves the option open. Personally, I think we should leave in the 'Magic' part (for those who want it) but expand the 'Witchcraft' to accomodate a broader range of faiths. So to sum up the ideas to date, we have: 'Magic & Entheospirituality' 'entheospiritual connections' 'entheospirituality' and 'Magic & Spirituality' Any other ideas, votes, input? Where is the moderator Wazron? Surely he/she/it/they have some input. I think what is slowing us up is that we dont know the origional intent of this forum. Is it for any religious talk, just for magic, for magic & entheospirituality? And is it fixed at that definition or is it up for creative redefining? Is there a forum mission statement? Wazron? WAZRON
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