Auxin

"I believe habanero come in 'bio-weapons grade'"- Adrian I dont know about biologial weapons, but it makes for one hell of a chemical weapon. One time I made chili sauce that was from 20 to 40 times the strength of Law Enforcenent grade pepperspray, Mmmmmmm. For some reason no one else would eat it though (more for me ) Normal Habs range from 80,000 to 200,000 SHU. Red Savina is reported to get around 570,000 SHU. My hottest hot sauce gets to around 2,000,000+ when I prepare it in my chem lab. "Does anyone have any new information about chilies and endorphin release?"- Adrian Sounds like you want the Fatalii pepper from the Central African Republic. I grow that beast, its reported to be 100,000-300,000 SHU but it doesn't work quite like the normal ones. When I eat it I dont feel the hot at first, in the first second or two my skin flushes, my scalp starts sweating, and theres this warm fuzzy euphoric melting sensation in my brain that takes 15-20 minutes to fade away. THEN, in second 2 or 3, THE HEAT HITS. Its like being plunged into those burning lakes of sulfur the christians obsess over. I love it, if thats your hell I should become a sinner. Muggers can have my money, but they have to fight for my Fatalii. [This message has been edited by Auxin (edited 25 May 2002).]

"purchasing *any* chemical from a chemical supplier without some sort of acceptable usage story is risky."- Somnif If they ask what you intend to do with it, you are already in trouble! I dunno about Australia, but in the US chemical companies make weekly calls to the DEA, ATF, etc. My last order was for 2-naphthoxyacetic acid and benzylaminopurine, totally innocent stuff- but they still treated me like a freakin criminal (and that was BEFORE the september 11 BS.)

When rhizobium bacteria form a node they are changed to rhizobia bacterioids, and can not be changed back to rhizobium. That means blenderizing nodes will not make a good innoculant because it takes an active rhizobium bacterium to make a new node (also it would promote rotting). Rhizobium are supposed to be ubiquitous in soil, so I would try making an inoculant by mixing numerous soil samples with water, decanting, and use that to water the seedlings. Thats my theory anyway, I have never tested it- but maby now I should.

Torsten: 1) The decomp of nitrous acid is slower at lower temps (because it is more soluable, when you produce more than can be dissolved then the excess goes away as nitrogen oxides), but the main factors are the speed of mixing acid to metal nitrite, the thouroughness of mixing while doing it, and the quantity (not to mention identity) of solvent used. Remember, nitrous acid ONLY exists in solution. 2) The source of the stink you mentioned could be nitrogen oxides, or a decomp product caused by mishandeling the sulfuric acid, or the always frightening OTHER. 3) I don't always know how non-chemists do things (I was born a chemist, seriously. I made a homemade azo dye from my stomach medicine and phenol before my middle school even got around to talking about pH! Thats how I learned everything in #1) but their probable mistakes would involve using plain water in all the washings, waiting too long, leaving the mix in the light in a warm room, and other assorted mistakes. 4) I wasn't talking about residual water in the sense of droplets floating around, but instead I meant water disolved in the alkyl nitrite (MANY organics do that, although being 'non-polar' (a deceptive term) it is not uncommon for organics to have the capacity of solvating anywhere from 0.1 to 5% water. Even benzene can have a moderate amount of water disolved in it. Alkyl nitrites react with water forming nitrogen oxides and the parent alcohol (just remember that they are esters of nitrous acid and an alcohol) 5) HCl would have different problems depending on the procedure. It would definatly decrease yield (Its a wet acid rather than the common drying acid- 98% H2SO4 (for esterification you want drying) and it is a weaker acid catalyst) If he really messed up some HCl could end up in the product (I have burned my lungs with HCL gas several times- In five minutes you sound like you had just smoked 30+ years worth of cigars! Scares the hell out of my boss, parents, and myself.) 6) Your right, alkyl nitrates make a nice big bang. Glyceryl trinitrate is the most commonly known one, however most people wrongly call it 'nitroglycerin'. OK I think that covers everything.

Torsten, you have never made azo dyes have you? That nitrous acid breaks down to water and nitrogen oxides, If your careful the occurance of that is hardly worth mentioning, but if you are off by a little bit in any direction it starts to stink bad. Also true is that the product can be cleaned up by washing it if you do it like a chemist would, otherwise you either destroy all your product or only remove some of the contaminants. Plus the product would contain residual water, so you would have to dry it with Na2SO4 or CaSO4 (in the absence of a fume hood the experimenter would then overdose). And the pure pharmaceudical stuff has been distiled (Overdose+BOOOOOOMMMMMMM=dead) Besides I have never seen amyl alcohol or isobutanol sold in stores, so the home experimenter would probably end up trying to make Isopropyl nitrite (WAY too explosive and volatile to use as a drug).

Yes, amyl nitrite is an alkyl nitrite. And no, you shouldn't even think about making it. You would probably overdose off the alkyl nitrite fumes, have your throat and lungs irritated (or mildly burned) from the fumes of various nitrogen oxides, and the alkyl nitrite vapors can EXPLODE if it finds a spark. Plus the product may be contaminated by toxic and corrosive nitrogen oxides and would have a very short shelf life due to contaminants including water, air, etc. In my humble opinion alkyl nitrites should only be made by organic chemists, and then only for non-drug or prescription uses (great for making azo dye intermediates, heavy metal indicators, pharmaceudicals, and many more.) My 'ANTI-DRUG' is organic chemistry, I couldn't bare to waste a good alkyl nitrite on getting high, not when pretty azo dyes and experimental plant hormones could be made!

Amyl Nitrite info at RxList Side effects/interactions info: http://www.rxlist.com/cgi/generic3/amylnitrite_ad.htm Overdose info: http://www.rxlist.com/cgi/generic3/amylnitrite_od.htm

"I was just going to say, capsicums are really only from the Americas."- Ed Dunkel Correct thats why I corrected myself and said an Australian variety. When Capsicums are introduced to a new reigon they mutate/evolve into new varieties fast. Capsicums now grow on every continent except Antarctica. I guess I put this in the wrong forum. Also correct is that the green ones are just immature, however the mature ones can be red, orange, purple, yellow, white, etc. OH, just in case Torsten reads this I have found the answer to why americans call capsicum fruits peppers: Christopher Columbus. All his lies are perpetuated every generation- When he came over here he was looking for a source for black pepper, the closest he found was some red capsicums so the fool named it 'black pepper' and took it back to the queen. Well being red they dropped the black and just called 'em peppers. If that sounds too far out to be the truth remember this is the guy who was looking for India when he found the americas, it was clear that this wasn't India, but he called it India and to this day the Native Americans are refered to as Indians (When you catch an American doin' this, ask 'em what they call people from India, I have never got a good answer.)

Waterdragon, US officials have been proven to have commited war crimes and crimes against humanity. Heres just a taste: http://www.iacenter.org/warcrime/wct2000.htm Unfortunatly, since we (USA) point nukes at whomever wants to persue the matter, it got shoved under the rug and forgotten. And everyone, listen up... You must remember that us US civilians are victims to. We are chronically lied to, brainwashed, forced to give up trillions of our hard earned cash to fund war crimes, genocide, etc. and generally used as pawns in the holy wars of the criminals that bought their way into government (remember Bush WAS NOT elected by the people, thats a fact) It was no accident that the US educational system was turned to shit, make the civilians stupid and they are easier to control. Want to make a statement? When/If you see a US embassador, military type, or political figure raise your right arm to 45 degrees and shout: ZIG HAIL ZIG HAIL [Dont worry, rubber bullets and tear gas don't hurt TOOOO bad, still- do it from a distance and be ready to run] OH Yeah, Heres the site of a US politician that actually tells the truth (read his articles on terrorism if your interested.) But surprise, surprise the Republicans and Democrats passed laws so he would never have a chance at the presidency last time around, some states didn't even have him on the ballots (ILLEGAL, I think). His party is now sueing the government! http://www.harrybrowne.org/ Why do the bad guys always gain power? Because they are willing to lie, cheat, steal, and kill for it! People like Harry Browne dont have much chance against those billionare criminals. [This message has been edited by Auxin (edited 21 May 2002).]

Welcome to my country, the fourth reich. ZIG HAIL No killing Jews this time, thats passe. Now it's Moslems and anyone who doesn't agree with all of Bushes insane war chants. I've got an American flag AND a Palisinian one- What does that mean? I get to be tortured before going to jail... Ahhh the sweet smell of molten lead 'purifying' my body, its been so long! But seriously folks, I saw this coming since Bush was first elected and noone believed me, Just like people didn't believe Hitler would be that bad despite his insane genocidal rambelings in 'Mein Kamph'. Oh Well, I can always take the underground railroad to central Australia right? When was the last time y'all were at war anyway? My country has been at war my whole life (and my fathers and his fathers and his fathers etc...) Its how politicians boost their ratings over here.

Amyl nitrate is an explosive. Amyl nitrite can stop your heart if your not careful, or if you have heart problems. Be careful.

"Last I looked, Buddha died while experiencing fungal enlightenment"- Gwydion If my memory serves, Buddha died from food poisoning. It was his last lesson in impermanence, watching the great Shakyamuni die the cook felt really bad, but the Buddha comforted him saying all must die and this universal law is not the fault of the cook. And no, I wasn't there when the Buddha first taught The Fifth Precept, however I had already discovered it for myself before I read it in the Buddhist texts (thats how I got into Buddhism, I read the texts and it is all stuff that I have already discovered for myself.) I just refer to Buddha because he has a much better reputation than me and he is known the world over.

I don't drink beer for three reasons: 1) I don't dring any alcohol. It's an overly toxic drug that damages the liver, causes addiction, and often contains methanol. Plus I don't like the effects. 2) Even if I did, I wouldn't drink recreational drugs that taste like assorted animal exudates (piss, sweat, earwax, snot, smeg- it depends on the drand of beer). Way back when I did drink it would be triple distiled, carbon filtered grain alcohol (fruit alcohol contains hella MeOH becaus'a the pectin decomp.) 3) Buddha says not to use drugs that hinder the quest for enlightenment, for me alcohol is one such drug, so I stay away.

DaNozz, I havent checked the laws in a few years so for all I know they may have changed- I hope they have for the sake of 'freedom and justice for all'. And yes I too keep the dogs at bay by not being in possesion of illicit substances. However, something being unconstitutional doesn't stop them! They do it anyway and it's your word against theirs and the word of a cop usually wins. As for the fundamentalist moslem countries, you can get imprisioned long-term or killed just for being in posession of beer, and the harder stuff is punished even worse! I'd probably be safe myself, I never touch beer (or anything else that tastes like a liquid animal exudate!)

Over here in th' USA sniffer dogs can go anywhere without probable cause or reasonable suspicion, and it is not considered a 'search' so its not illegal, and if they signal that there is a drug odor that gives the cop probable cause to do a search. How could sniffer dogs not count as a search? After all they are closer to being intelligent sentient beings than their masters! (If that sounds harsh you odviously havent met many american cops. Over here people only become cops after they have failed the ditch-digger and burger-flipper exams)

Have a happy, fruitful, and enlightening Vesak day. For those who don't know what it is: http://www.regit.com/spore/festival/vesak.htm Peace

Does anyone have information on the storage of pollen samples? Specifically I want to prepare samples of experimental Capsicum and corn pollen for long-term storage. I figured I would desiccate them over SiO2 or CaSO4 at 20 C, then store 'em at 5 C in the dark with a MgSO4 desiccant capsule to keep 'em dry. Any idea about shelf-life or better procedures? Can dessicated pollen be stored at -15 C and stay viable? Pollen must remain viable for AT LEAST four months, preferably one year or MORE. Will controlled rehydration be required before use? (Constant 81% humidity is cheap and easy, others can be done too though.) Items such as P2O5, vacuum desiccators, and cryogenic equiptment are not an option, I wish they were (Donations welcome). Thanks in advance

Thanks Darklight, that's exactly what I was looking for. I can now breed 'bush corn' and new varieties of deadly hot peppers more effectively Mmmmm, central african-peruvian pepper hybrids- I can't wait! Just thinking about it makes my mouth burn and my brain sweat. Peace and long life to you and your kin

There has never been a clinical study on that, and there probably never will be. Anyone who says it is perfectly safe is probably either guessing or speaking from one isolated 'success'. Play it safe and don't mix scantly studied drugs (not even hypothetically). Even if two drugs have a documented history of not reacting strangely with eachother, strange stuff can still happen.

By the way, yes I posted this early. Vesak day is the 26th but I figured it would take that long to organize the sing along: Happy birthday to Buddha Happy birthday to Buddha Happy birthday dear Buddha Happy birthday to Buddha

DaNozz, first I know what they look like, I'm a chemist for christs sake, second you don't know what they look like! You just copied an erronious picture from somewhere. That pic you labeled gamma-hydroxybutyrate is really gamma-hydroxybutyric acid. Did you graduate high shcool? If you did you should know the difference between a carboxylate ion and a free carboxylic acid. Follow IUPAC nomenclature: gamma-hydroxybutyrate means HOCH2CH2CH2CO2- IT IS AN ION like acetate, butyrate, benzoate, naphthoate. Ok, its not your fault I know you were trying to help, thanks for the attempt. Maby someone should send erowid the proper pic. Lesson for the day- DON'T put too much trust in erowids data! Try looking in the CRC instead, or any real chemistry reference book for that matter. [This message has been edited by Auxin (edited 11 May 2002).]

"to draw conclusions from the carcinogenicity of one related compound to another is unscientific"- Torsten To state such a comparison as FACT is unscientific, yes. But to state it as a suggestion of caution or as an initial hypothesis in the absence of any clinical proof is scientific. The point of science is to make an initial hypothesis based on observed relationships, and then to experiment and study it to refine, prove, or disprove that hypothesis. Carbon tet is known to be carcinogenic, etc. so as a matter of CAUTION if I was working with Fluorotrichloromethane I would assume it's a nasty one too, until such time that I find clinical proof as to it being more or less dangerous than CCl4. If it seems I take caution to extremes it is just cause I work with nasty stuff all the time and sometimes when I ignore caution I have come close to death. One time someone said 'open up the valve on that CO2 tank to see if it is full' I ignored caution and did what they said, I'm lucky it was empty because it turned out to be a carbon monoxide tank with a dirty label!!! "I always left a write up of my experiment before consumption, so in case things go wrong the idiots at the hospital know at least where to look things up. Actually, in many cases I would even write down the antidotes and method of treatment"- Torsten You, my friend, are one smart dude. I wish more people used such caution when self experimenting. If you ever move to the US please run for a political office, it would be nice to have a politician with a brain for a change.

The way they decide what to make illegal as a drug is by watching what people are using as drugs. They look at the hospital reports, they look at the drug policies of other countries, they look at modern phytochemistry and designer drug chemistry work, and yes they look at the data being shared on the internet to see what their people are using as drugs. P.S. You can use politicians as a drug, just dessicate them, grind them to a powder and snort them OK maby they wont fall for that one, but it was worth a try. Oh Yeah... I'm behind on the non-chemist drug lingo so help me out will ya. I know GHB refers to the gamma-hydroxybutyrate ion (presumably sodium gamma-hydroxybutyrate or similar), but what are you talking about when you say GBL? Is that gamma-butyrolactone, or am I way off? [This message has been edited by Auxin (edited 10 May 2002).]

Because they do.

Shroomy, that was not very productive. The Dalai lama says if you put a mantra on your hard disk it becomes a prayer wheel: OM MANI PADME HUM OM MANI PADME HUM OM MANI PADME HUM There, now you have a prayer wheel to help you learn loving compassion. Take that! OM AH RA PA TSA NA DHI Have some wisdom to.