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Thats from Cannabis Canada(which may lend more credit), Not Hype Times
"Develope" is a loose word, i would take it as maybe they used madness to breed into the WW to form the family, although Rhino show even stronger Indica dominance. "Used in its Breeding " would be a better term or "in its makeup" would secure it. But honestly, if youve ever seen or dreamt of growing WW its far from any pure sativa ive ever seen.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_widow_(cannabis)
Any other seed bank will list it as Brazilian X Indian too. Even Greenhouse state the same (http://greenhouseseeds.nl/shop/index.php?t...p;product_id=21)
Ha ha, "Mulla-nimbee" - classic. :D
Trust me, if it did contain Madness then it would be the only source of MM genes in modern breeding. No doubt it would be very popular, especially for those with other MM genes trying to back-cross to find a similar pheno to the original. Not to say that MM isnt locked away in a secret parent room somewhere.
Sorry "Mulla-nimbee" crackes me up
Tst, I would assume most "older" NNSW/QLD varities would be Indian or Asian in their heritage. Indian in particular "Kerala" origin herb is perhaps the finest smoking ganja, they have been breeding in Kerala for supreme "smoking ganja" for what could be hundreds of years if not many more. Whereas most indicas were "hash only" cultivars or not even used previously to the "hippy tourism boom" in those areas of middle east. Indica's wont flower well too far north either, as bud mold will set in easily with the density of the flowers, Sativa's are the only prime candidates really. Maybe Napalese, Colombian and South American are slight possibilites that cant be overlooked either, but later in the timeline. If we only knew of some of the first importers from back then.....
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It may well have, but cannabis wasnt/isnt a native plant, it must have come from somewhere. Most indications point to early imports from Indian hemp/drug pheno's or SE Asian drug/firbe/feed pheno's. I think cannabis seed was imported from SE A or India before it grew wildly in the Hunter. I think any non-hollow (fiberous stemed) hemp/sativa would have been far more popular as inital hemp pheno's than the hollow (indica) drug cultivars which may have shown up in the early 80's late late 70's.
Ok, a quick search on the Hunter valley and ive found an few but different reasons why the Hunter had soo much weed.
"The cause of the infestation has never been positively identified. One theory suggests that the cause was the sluicing of waste products from chicken farms in the area which were using imported chicken feed containing a small proportion of cannabis seed which was then washed into the Hunter River and its tributaries. Another theory suggests that some seed was deliberately planted by United States military
Military of the United States
The United States Armed Forces are the overall unified armed forces of the United States. The United States military was first formed by the second Second Continental Congress to defend the new nation against the British Empire in the American Revolutionary War....
personnel who were stationed at the Singleton Australian Army
- http://www.absoluteastronomy.com/topics/Hu...bis_infestation
Or as i thought, English hemp/drug phenos which would have def been Indian origin considering their rule at the time.
"In 1892, the Department of Agriculture distributed Cannabis sativa seeds to hundreds of farmers in New South Wales as an experiment in the cultivation of hemp due to the high prices of binding-twine at the time.[3] From 1840 to the early 1900s, Australians used cannabis as a medicinal herb and Cigares de Joy (cannabis cigarettes) were sold over the counter.[4]"
- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hunter_Valley...bis_infestation
The Hunter Vally still uses this anomoly as a tourist card!:
"One story worth mentioning is part history, part tourist information, and partly just plain bizarre. In the early 1950s the wine and dairy lands of Hunter Valley suffered from a noxious weed invading their lands and causing problems. The weed was cannabis, or marijuana. It was growing wild as a pesky intruder, and causing problems for other plants and for livestock, and the farmers wanted it gone. But as a noxious weed it was fairly tenacious, and it took more than nine years of concerted government efforts to finally eradicate it. Meanwhile, devoted tokers were trekking in every spring to illicitly collect buds from roadsides and private fields, and would then transport them to Sydney. Hunter Valley really did have a weed problem! That was a long time ago, but with the laid back vibe and loads of surfers on the coast, something of a Bohemian atmosphere is still alive and well."
http://www.bookitnow.com.au/info/nsw/hunter-valley-nsw/
And Goms old thread too - http://www.shaman-australis.com/forum/inde...showtopic=11448
Hope that helps somewhat, so MM may have well come from the Hunter, but i think there are only a few oldies that may know, and they are out of reach nowdays.
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White widow is a Brazilian X Indian (Kerala) as far as i am aware of. It (WW) is no where near as stativa dominated as typical thai/SE asian varieties which made up the almost all of the late 60's-70's breeding stock up that way. I would bet that MM was an original highland Thai/Loatian variety originally, it could have well started from an imported thai stick itself. I have spent many years asking breeders if they know of any MM still left, but alas they dont think so..... maybe in a hidden valley up there there still may be rouge sproutings, but i think it lost out to the dutch genetics. This is why WE MUST preserve landrace varieties!!
Bd
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I havent gone thru the last 14 pages but thought i would post this,
Browndirtwarrior - Big outdoor grow adventure.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BXHfkXds0E0...&playnext=1
Series of about 14 sessions
Some seriously hairy moments! Amazing to see the effort put in by this guy.
Bd
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Funny??
Who said anything about sacrement? tell the rasta's that....
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Thanks EG,
I downloaded and ran spybot and it cleaned out numerous nasties. Thanks for the heads up
Bd.
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Still scanning.
i did get a microsoft error reporting window open up tho, stating " Some unexpected errors have happened to software you recently used. You were not asked to send these error reports at the time they occurred"
"malaware signeture download" under the applications part, error description was "unexpected error", size "335 bytes"
Error is as follows.
EventType : mptelemetry P1 : 8024402c P2 : endsearch P3 : search
P4 : 1.1.1593.0 P5 : mpsigdwn.dll P6 : 1.1.1593.0
P7 : windows defender
Does that help anyone? i gather windows defender has picked up the error. Ive gotta go out now so ill have to wait till i return to se the results.
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Im number 1 dumb ass!
Just woke up, stumbled to my comp and logged in.
Dough!@!!
went to a page that had one of those security random letter password things. Obviously the penny dropped and i didnt go any further.
Running norton and win defender now. Ah shit! ill let you all know if it picked up anything.
Word to the wize, wait at least 5 min from waking before login ....
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Heya Mind,
Im a bit tired at the moment but somewhere in "Cannabinoids as theraputics" i have read it, im pretty sure. Its a big book, i tried to quickly find the line in there but couldnt find it in a hurry.
There is soo much info on CBD in the book, its quite amazing. Stacks of info on anxyolitic effect of cbd. Blood flow to the brain etc...
Please find it here if you dont have a copy. Those that dont want to view a file sharing site please dont click this link.
Cannabinoids as theraputics download link - mininova.org
Ive only skimmed thru it a few months ago. Also has some groovy info on "sativex" and chemovars.
Hope that helps.
Bd
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Thanks for that Tst t,
So, from that info, can we assume that high THC:low CBD varities can produce more exagerrated dysphoria than high/low TCH:high CBD varieties. Correct?
This would make perfect sense, as sativas or early harvested indica hybrids(rarely pure indica nowdays unless you lucky) for that matter cause (for me) a dysphoric and high anxiety "high". I know CBD smoothes out the ride, that has been proven time and time again, but this kappa-opioid agonist action of THC can cause anxiety and uneasyness itself. I have never linked the two as seperate actions from the same compound. So as CBD acts upon the uptake of THC (slows it), one would think the effect of kappa agonist action would be deminished with high CBD samples.
Is this action it widely know? It fits in perfectly with my need to specify the variety/heratage of cannabis when things go wrong.
Everyone in medicine just thinks weed is weed, i wish it was that simple. TLC of selected varieties, could help people tremendously. Both to enjoy the herb and prevent unnessecary damage/ill effects. Could we simply be seeing the emergence of low THC tolerant people due to the 'rush' of indoor growing? Plants may grow quicker indoors, but THC production/degradation to CBD's isnt really hastened at all, that takes time, time producers cant or dont want to wait for.
Indoor sativa/hybrids + early harvest due to illegal status + no cure time = high THC : low or almost non existant CBD = higher rates of dysphoria and anxiety?
Of course, this could be good if you were wanting the specific agonist effect for withdrawl of opioids, but unwanted for the vast majority that just wanna chill out.
Sorry if this is a bit of a ramble, ive been coming to grips with a number of cannabis related or non-related issues of late, and know there is more to it than just the "weed is weed" syndrome that medicine claims.
Thanks for listening (or reading
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Thanks for that Tst t,
So, from that info, can we assume that high THC:low CBD varities can produce more exagerrated dysphoria than high/low TCH:high CBD varieties. Correct?
This would make perfect sense, as sativas or early harvested indica hybrids(rarely pure indica nowdays unless you lucky) for that matter cause (for me) a dysphoric and high anxiety "high". I know CBD smoothes out the ride, that has been proven time and time again, but this kappa-opioid agonist action of THC can cause anxiety and uneasyness itself. I have never linked the two as seperate actions from the same compound. So as CBD acts upon the uptake of THC (slows it), one would think the effect of kappa agonist action would be deminished with high CBD samples.
Is this action it widely know? It fits in perfectly with my need to specify the variety/heratage of cannabis when things go wrong.
Everyone in medicine just thinks weed is weed, i wish it was that simple. TLC of selected varieties, could help people tremendously. Both to enjoy the herb and prevent unnessecary damage/ill effects. Could we simply be seeing the emergence of low THC tolerant people due to the 'rush' of indoor growing? Plants may grow quicker indoors, but THC production/degradation to CBD's isnt really hastened at all, that takes time, time producers cant or dont want to wait for.
Indoor sativa/hybrids + early harvest due to illegal status + no cure time = high THC : low or almost non existant CBD = higher rates of dysphoria and anxiety?
Of course, this could be good if you were wanting the specific agonist effect for withdrawl of opioids, but unwanted for the vast majority that just wanna chill out.
Sorry if this is a bit of a ramble, ive been coming to grips with a number of cannabis related or non-related issues of late, and know there is more to it than just the "weed is weed" syndrome that medicine claims.
Thanks for listening (or reading
*posted while Tst was posting the wealth of info above, thanks!!
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Im wondering if it could be a cause of combining cannabis with opiates or perscription opate like drugs? I have has a similar effect/reaction to use of cannabis and endone, specificaly after surgery using general anethesia. I assumed the cannabis would reduce the nausea associated with the anethesia (the anti-nausea wore off way to quickly)but i think it caused the problem to worsen. From then on, i would feel terible nauses whenever the endone or panadine forte was consumed. Reaction was so bad i ended up with anxiety attacks from the forte alone, without the cannabis.
Im also wondering why they state in the 'Adelaide hills', thats rather precise isnt it? could this be linked to a certain batch or variety or cannabis found/grown in the region, perhaps? Or use of a specific chemical/fert?
I found that the shower was needed moreso to circuit break the anxiety, 'rough' feelings and physical discomfort rather than a cure for the problem..
Could this be an imbalance of neuro transmitters causing the effects, ie dopamine overload?
If doctors were to listen to cannabis consumers, rather than dismiss everything they say, im sure we would know much more about potential interactions and effects of specific or non-specific cannabis products. Its been my experience that they simply dont listen to you, or effects/side effects presented of poly-pharmacy use regarding cannabis.
GP's have little idea about the differences in the two main cannabis types too, they both effect people very differently and should be noted.
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Also seems a few people would like cuts for nothing. I have had a few people ask for M&D cuts, ive taken them and prepped them, only to have the askers re-neg on the sale. They only want to trade, after the price is given.. its happened a few times now. Im happy to trade if i had the space but im outa room and am not taking new cuts, Im trying to reduce my stock and trying to share around the M&D at a reasonable price. Ive offered them for $30/30cm tip cut, but that seems to much in some peoples eyes.
Geez, i would have been happy to pay $50 back years ago in my furious collecting years.
Having managed a nursery some years ago, and having brought heaps of my inital collection from bunnings all those years ago at their exhorborent prices, i consider $30 a foot a steal for a 'known' cut.
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Wont work too well for different species on the same substrate. Competition will be the biggest problem.
Can and will work for like/like species.. but it will form intermediate hybrids. On a small scale this will work. Providing the same species is used for both differing strains, in nutrient rich solution, its the basics of forming hybrids.
Now you cant really control whats going to happen unless you have a powerfull microscope and single out spores, so our hybrids will be totally random. There will be random germination of the spores in nutrient solution(if you decide thats what your after). Depending on what type of similar germinating spore they lie/swim next to wil determine the final outcome. Spores germinate, the rootlets search for there asexual partners, the fusion of the rootlets takes place, then forming mycelium. If you happen to use the same species, and that germination and entanglement happens to differing genetic partners, a simple or many simple hybrid will form. I gather this is the basics of mycology morphology in a jar. Selection is made from the final characteristics of the fruiting body, then cloned to propagate your new selection.
SO to answer your question, mixing like spores can/will create hybrids if done in a nutrient rich solution(or maybe in situ) but mixing species wont do much except cause competion problems. One is most likely to overrun the other, or be grouped/ segregated like UG said.
Hope that helps.
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Heya. Ive just started to work with this plant in the last few years. It is an interesting herb, one that seems to draw one closer and closer when you experiment with and grow it.
Heres a pic of a 2 year old patch, around 4-5 plants making up this group.
And a close-up
The plant does have its place as a mild relaxant, but is not a contributer to the effects of that famous smoking blend at such low doses(assuming that it is actually in the blend?).
Enjoy the pics!
BD
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Just for height/growth comparison, the tree climber macro just as it started to enter the branches....
You can see two or three arms (to the left and top behind) starting to lean into the branches. Crazy growth for only three years as you can see in micro's pic. I imagine as the arms were growing thru the Eucy they eventually got too long, the had no support, high winds(maybe) snapped them (as you can see at the top of one of the arms) and fell. Now it is turning around and headin back toward the sky. I recon
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Nice pics Micro
That Bridge is what i would consider var "Bruce", Pretty sure its the same plant, it has put on some nice growth since.
Edit, Just checked the forums and couldnt find it, so here tis again, 2005
How big/tall is she now? (if it is the same plant)
That "SA Sausage/Huntington" macro, ive seen multiple clumps as large as 20m+ wide thru that country. Incredibly sprawling plant. Would have been planted out that way quite some time ago. Neat growth paterns.
Cool pics.
BD
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Maybe the evaporation of the oils/turpines "cools" and protects the seed within(hence the aroma we smell being low bp turpines). Maybe much like the gaseous layer of oils that surround and protects eucylyptus leaves from the extreme heat to prevent desication? Just a stab but seems comon among "oily or resinous" type plants.
Anyone willing to entertain that idea?
Bd
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Sensi seed bank has done quite a bit of hemp breeding, if im correct they were also looking at leb(Bekka, Bekaa valley) genetics to breed into hemp for oz climates. Might pay to drop them an email to see how they have faired. Im sure they can point you in the right direction, Im sure Alan could help if you could get hold of him.
Bd.
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Sapo
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Im interested does anyone know when the supposed "western discovery" of sappo was? Does anyone have any idea?
Reason for asking sappo was one of the very first plant/animal drugs i had ever herd of or remember vividly from when i was a child, it had been filed away in my memory untill recently when application methods were discussed, it rang amazing bells in my head that my old pals dad must have been reasonably well experienced in the stuff.
Back in the day, Im talking way way back, primary year 6 or 7 (maybe 12yrs old??, some 20 odd years ago), i had a great friend in my class that had just arrived from England, he was way cool. His Dad was somewhat of a crazy nutter, into all the things i used to love back then, fireworks, poisions, more fireworks, anarchist stuff, anything that now days is considered evil
I remember Robert (my pommy pal) discussing that his dad had all this crazy stuff locked away in his room, all the goodies we had ever wanted. He made special note of a substance that his dad used, by cutting or burning spots into his upper arm or forearm that he then proceeded to apply a "slime or paste" from a green frog to it. Robert said that his dad would then go a bit weird for a while. I always wondered why someone would do that and it intrigued me immensly.
Amazing that at that age , maybe 12, he had such a grasp of this substance, looking back on it now i wonder how such info could be avaiable to him? Perhaps his dad was a old school ethnohead and i didnt even know. To this day, wish i could have had more chats with Roberts dad, i bet he would be one interesting fellow. Knowing what the substance was, let along getting ahold of it must have been a task back then.
Needless to say, even tho this memory was somewhat re-pressed, i have no doubt that it was one of many events that turned me to the ethno aspect life.
Great to hear people discuss it, i had only ever seen it in Piers's docco so far, watching that vid and opening the discussion is bringing back some wonderfull memories of my youth which i thought had been lost.
Maybe it had further reaching effects than just the immediate user
Bd.
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2b, I agree with the articale you mentioned totally.
I used to be a sucker for slabs of milk chocolate(good quality tho), then i found out i have sugar issues to deal with.
Now all i need to have is a small peice of 70%+ and such a small piece satisfies my cravings totally in one bite. I cant believe it.
I used to horf down big slabs of milk chocolate to get that "all goey feeling"
Milk chocolate is sooo over rated!
Bd
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I start them in punnets indoors in seasol treated coco coir (canna brand
Ive found that tropical varieties such as fatalii, habs and fancy jolokia require high humidity to allow the cotyledons to grow unhindered, fast and lush to split and push away the seedcase effectively. If humidity is too low those cotyledons will grow slowly or shrivel and dry out, reducing the chance of seed shedding, causing failed germination rates to escalate, which isnt a good thing with rare seed
I use fluro's as a source of light, 2 cool blues to one tri-phosphor tube as a general rule.
Hope that helps.
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Genki, seed should last around2-3 years tops i think.
Mark80, I shall have the aji, pasilla and choc seeds ripe in around a week to so, the chocs are just changing colour now. Ill post up some pics later in the week. The peters sound fine, i mentioned earlier 20 seed/pack, im quite happy to make smaller numbers for trade if that easier.
Conan same a sabouve, im keen on most of your stock
Ill post up here again when the seed are fully ripe.
Thanks everyone,
BD
mid 1970's qld heads,all gone now?
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Heya Self,
The WW i witnessed was here straight after the winnings so the breeding wouldnt have been far from the original. Remember unless its a clone its always going to vary a bit. Maybe the one i witnessed was more of an Indy dom.
Funny enough, Super Skunk was as Gerbil pointed out an affy X with skunk #1, which itself was a nice X of Colombian, mexican(Acapulco Gold), Thai and Afghani. Think the original was a 3 way not 4 but im not sure. Superior genetic and top breeding made the original Skunk#1 superb.
Re Kafiristanica:
The only info i have at hand is the following distribution scan from "HASHISH!" by Clarke. I havent seem much (nor have i looked) recently re this new subtyping. The Distribution map uses C.Indica Var Kafiristanica instead of C.Sativa Kafiristanica which i cant explain.
Unfortunatley it doesnt say much re cannibinoid profiles but i spose i could match up hash sample data collected from those areas and it may give some idea as to the differences. Maybe. This would be skewed tho due to storage and maturation times which arnt standardized.
Heres a few to play with, again from "hashish!" by Clarke:
Cannabinoid contents of hashish from major producers.
Origin: CBD%------THC%------CBN% (dry weight)
Afganistan : 1.7-16.5------1.3-22.3-------0.6-4.4
India: 0.2-4.9------0.1-26.0------ 0.1-4.3
Pakistan: 0.0-8.2------0.1-18.7------0.0-9.1
Not much help tho, those ranges are from '77-'89 but they do give some profile indication.