Green Osiris

Belfegor: Simple solution to anyone wingeing about Torsten or moderators. Fuck off and start your board This is becoming a reality even as we speak (or type at least). Yet even with the new, sans-SAB influenced ethno-forum, Torsten has already taken great pains in expressing his distaste, shared his negative assumptions, belittled the administrator, and made speculative assumptions on the future of the board & it‘s future membership. People ARE breaking away from SAB, and have been for quite some time. The so called ‘trolls’ aren’t to blame, as much as it may like to be twisted as such to suit. Torsten: I am considering a new problem that has arisen, which is people posting their constructive stuff on the other forum and just breezing in here to spread discord and have a whine every now and then. As much as you might like to think you are the supreme mentor, the majority of posts in the new forum are not about you. Sure, your existence is commented upon from time to time, but why wouldn’t it ? It’s all ethnobotanical, and you’re a major player. Kudos, my boy. As I’ve quite openly said on many prior occasions, you are one of the pioneers in bringing Australian ethno into an accessible format. That does NOT give you the right to play almighty king. There is a long overdue need for you to take some time and self-reflect, perhaps compile the many criticisms levelled at you and absorb them, instead of throwing up the deflective shield, pushing out the chest and pouting. To this day, you are yet to take the personal journey, and some of us are saddened for you. Rarely by you. Insofar as the ‘breezing in’ as an outside to otherwise ‘constructive stuff’ postings, this might be indicative of an ever-present collective feeling that members can no longer express their lucid, honest opinions on SAB anymore, without being chastised, ostracised, pariah-ised. As much as it will hurt your precious ego, there will soon be a point where you will never be mentioned again outside of this forum. See, it would be much easier for an administrator if the growing disdain was of the ‘fuck you, fag, cunt, suckhole yada yada’ expression in member‘s comments, but it’s not the case. As much as you try and manipulate statements made by recent articulate posters, you haven’t yet banned or barred me. Why exactly is that ? Perhaps because I have not expressed any regular, repeated trends of racist, sexist, bigoted, homophobic, abusive posts. Should I make it easy for you to ban me by calling you a weakpoofterniggerfaggotcunthole? Um, you know such crass expressions, or for that matter beliefs) doesn’t wash with me, and you would have established by now that I am neither racist, sexist or homophobic. But heck, I’ve even specifically requested you (via PM) to suspend my username, and you refused to do so. Do I *want* to be banned? Well, I don’t care either way, the forum is still here for me to enjoy, whether I post here or not. Therefore these ‘threats’ you make, both publicly and privately, don’t cause an immediate shiver in my bones. As I publicly mentioned earlier, personal growth is within your reach, you just need to have enough humility to accept the help that is on offer here for you. I can be your life-coach, but you need to take the first step towards rebirth yourself. If you choose to swing the axe and decapitate my presence at SAB, I cannot stop you. However even the most hardened of henchmen can never be disaffected by the blood on their hands. Torsten: so it is not for you to give or take permission Yet another example of your insatiable quest for dominance. Who ARE you exactly to dole out permissions on another person’s opinion ? Reminds me of the lyric set from the latest TOOL album: Who are you to wave your finger? You must have been outta your head Eye hole deep in muddy waters You practically raised the dead Rob the grave to snow the cradle Then burn the evidence down Soapbox house of cards and glass so Don't go tossin' your stones around You must have been high Foot in mouth and head up ass So whatcha talkin' 'bout? Difficult to dance 'round this one 'til you pull it out. boy, You must have been so high Steal, borrow, refer, save your shady inference Kangaroo done hung the jury with the innocent Now you're weeping shades of cozened indigo (Musta) got lemon juice up in your eye When you pissed all over my black kettle. You must have been high! Who are you to wave your finger? So full of it Eye balls deep in muddy waters Fuckin' hypocrite Liar, lawyer, mirror, show me. What's the difference? Kangaroo done hung the guilty with the innocent. Now you're weeping shades of cozened indigo (Musta) got lemon juice up in your eye When you pissed all over my black kettle. You must've been... So who are you to wave your finger? Who are you to wave your fatty fingers at me? You must have been out your mind Weepin' shades of indigo Shed without a reason * Weepin' shades of indigo Liar, lawyer - mirror, for you what's the difference? Kangaroo be stoned. He's guilty as the government. Now you're weeping shades of cozened indigo (Musta) got lemon juice up in your eye Now when you pissed all over my black kettle. You must've been high! Eyeballs deep in muddy waters Eyeballs deep in muddy waters Ganja? P-lease! You must have been out your mind And where the fuck is Apothecary with his two-bobs worth? Guy, I’m waiting for your PM.

So you are referring to Nil (aka Evo) as a troll? This was the first and continuing aspect of ‘things were fine’ degradation on this thread. So we can only read this as a suggestion that she has no right to voice disdain for the post ? Or yet another weak attempt at social engineering ? You don’t even come CLOSE to the talents of your mentor in this field. Seriously, Apo, who the fuck are you to make such almighty judgements ? This is as constant a trend as Torsten’s messianic chest beating. There’s little that gets under my skin, as I am supremely self-controlled in my emotions. However the blatant ego and small-man-syndrome (maybe) arrogance from you is deplorable. Have you then won, in your opinion ? Maybe, GO is *finally* pissed off at something in this forum. Your public-slave existence can’t even begin to dream up what you‘re dealing with now. Please PM me, as we simply must have a 1 on 1 ’reality check’ session in the real world. I can happily do “Northern Line” area to accommodate your hectic schedule. And the LEAVE US ALONE statement only re-confirms the dying embers of a secret club that's falling apart, not from outside influence, but from a growing clarity that the main players just may be of fraudulent personality. Love, GO - Lots of Posts, still not banned.

Note also that Yowie doesn't have a "warn" bar in his sig, despite the comments made above. Where again are the defined rules of engagement pertaining to this site ? Seems more a 'make it up as we go along' kinda approach dependant on mateship.

Azz301 - be careful not to piss the big daddy off, otherwise you’ll be in the Green Osiris club. That is, ummm, still posting ! And whilst I neither agree with the shiny metal assed jono (where’s your avatar, dud?) on all of his comments, I must concur that to give Yowie a double warning is a ludicrous bastardisation of power on the part of the moderator. A private message would have sufficed. The issue here isn’t really about Yowie as an individual contributor, it’s about the blatant double standards ideology from board of directors. Yet again.

geez, I thought you left ages ago? Youv’e said that about this member several times previously. Unless she is barred by you, there is no onus to stay away. I think it is funny that I am being called upon to intervene in somethign as trivial as this by the people who continually criticised my influence . Hypocrites! Amazing that you are perching upon this particular soapbox to discredit people outside of your (self-perceived) click of late. There’s a noted trend that shows a modus operandi, no doubt pre- plotted, yet with many, many holes in the structure. It’s time you started screaming a new song, my boy. You so often these days claim to be disaffected, yet continue to belittle people with the very accusations/observations levelled at yourself in the past. The game of manipulation might work on some of your audience pal, but to those who are able to see through the deflective plate you are holding up in your big manly arms, it‘s becoming stale already. Why is it so hard for you to self reflect upon the increasing criticism towards your (alleged) messiah syndrome ? Personal growth is available for you now, but you need to grab the ticket for yourself. The fact that you dare to accuse others of hypocrisy is laughable. I wonder if the term ‘clutching at straws’ should be used at this stage of the ‘game’ …… You need to thank Yowie for removing the naked pic, for you (as the site operator) would otherwise been in the sightlines for all manner of grief for allowing (ie not removing) such contributions in an age of “Anti-Islamism”. I’ve no doubt about Yowie’s fetish for hijab/burqa/niqab clad women, but how about if a member had a similar fetish for naked children ? Geeze, I can almost predict what elements of the aforementioned diatribe (go on) that you’re about to dissect. Or might have if not for this sentence….. Despite the continued respect that I have for you as a pioneer in building the ethno community in this country( seriously), there’s a definite attitude & ethics re-alignment that need to be addressed. Love & Kisses, GO PS: Irrespective of my thoughts on this thread, i think Yowie *should* re-instate the original picture in order to have a credible start-point in what may or may not become a passionate online discussion. Please re-post it Yowie, you have my blessing. Original convictions are the most honest.

Whilst phonetically agreeable, the correct spelling is 'farce'. Please understand that what you read in response to your open, honest statement Shroomie, you should not consider it 'gospel'. As a public forum, there are many opinions, and Amute's is but one. Self-discovery is the key here. No gods, no messiahs. It IS ok to be 'different' to mainstream society. Please don't assume yourself to be mentally ill just yet. The registered psychologists will only tell you to drop the substances quick smart. And if we're lucky, we can sometimes observe quotes outside of the Simon Posford context. StS, you're only an outsider to the mainstream, remember that. There's no law that dictates how you should feel about your life and the beautiful essence that your existence brings to this planet. You will find like minds here, but remember that not everyone is holding they ultimate key. That is within yourself.

So with a Delosperma, my understanding was that the root/rootball holds the actives. Should we then assume that the plant must be entirely uprooted, therefore life discontinued ? Ive tried the powdered root once, to no effect, subtle or otherwise. Although we are all wired by differing circuits, eh..... The potential for Sceletium (if indeed the actives are comparable in consumption, if not specifically chemically), then to run a small jungle of Scel that can be harvested without ending the plant entirely might be a good option ? Observations on a recent purchase of a 'seedling' suggest that the S.t grows as a prolific succulent.

I made a snack of vegemite on toast. I am a chef.

So you're actually a shaman, Amute ? Self-appointed illusion, or widely recognised by your peers and community as such? PS: Go on Torsten, explain how this (present) post is derogatory. No doubt you'll add your own (albeit weak) engineered spin as always.

If not that, then where else is the perceived 'personal insult'? And what the hell is insuation ?

You're right there. So why mention it at all ? You're not a Reverend. You just said the title means nothing. Isn't this comment of 'helping' then irrelevant ? Personal attacks ? Did I specifically call *you* an idiot ? Please re-read, or get a literate grown up to help you. The art of manipulating public opinion is lost on you, you should leave it to your heros who are far more equipped to use this tool.

So by filling out an online form you ‘became’ a reverend ? Gee, that’s credible, mate. Perhaps someone might find an online form titled “Becoming a certified idiot is only six clicks away”. Yo have my support on that goal of yours, they don't have net access in prison

At least half of the posts her are not taking the piss Gom. In fact, Im working on the shameless promotion angle to keep the thread bumped up, in the hope that potential new members might read this and come and visit AE ! As for the ultimate rules of the provider being broken, its probably a good idea to keep in mind that too much discussion about obvious illegals might create a spot of bother. However much of the ethno's are in themselves not illegal per se. Anyway, you have a lot of support from individuals on this project Gom, so if it comes to that we can sort out a more liberal paid server. So don't worry about it mate. Its a good point that the shameless promoting might increase google hits.

I don't know, they're all good suggestions, but Gomao's forum is probably better. Anyone have the link to it ?

The salvia doco is available on evilbay for a 'buy it now' price of $1. From everyone's responsible SD friend sharry (I think) Or um, yes, for those who have broadband (bastards) the big download is great to have, its full of doco's on all manner of counter culture consumables (in doco form that is, you cant actually download lsd)