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Originally posted by Schitztrip:My post probably wasn't the most appropriate... I think perhaps it would have been completley different if i wrote it now though - rather than directly after the incident.
Funny, wouldn't be the first time its happened here either
I reckon its also a positive experience cos it contributed to an open debate on a topic that has long needed addressing
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No censorship at all would be the ideal ( and less work and panic ). But in order for the forum to stay alive there is a need to conform to rules not of our choosing.
I bloody wish someone would set up a forum that wasn't censored somewhere else. Its been mooted a few times, by ppl who then totally fail to go on to do it. No-one's stopping youse and it is an admirable strike for freedom of speech. Go for it, and don't stand round here bleating for someone else to do your work for you.
Surley mereley not responding to posts that you disapprove of, or perhaps posting your disapproval of the actions depicted in the post is a more sensible approach.
Its as valid an approach on an uncensored forum. Where something falls within the guidelines of the forums here its a valid approach and one frequently resorted to. But outside the forum guidelines, which no longer include the hasty ban I placed on binge posts- its not an option. I think the rules are eminently fair.
I'm not sure i like this desperate attempt to conform and be accepted by the mains of society though
Its hardly that. I believe the forum guidelines are a valid way to exercise what freedoms of speech are available to us in order that the forums continue to run. Conforming doesn't come into it.
I just Question your methods
Like I said in another post- I was out of line. And I apologised. And the discussion continues. But question away ....
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Influenced, SB...too strong a word. Don't shoulder the blame on this one, you just pointed it out. The only thing I am under the influence of is my own simmering neurochemicals. My mind is my own.
Which can only be a good thing...if it weren't in my posession it would be free in the outer, greater world harrassing livestock and terrifying villagers
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I love you CS.
When the time is right, I want you to have my baby.
The thing I thought you had on your hands wasn't too much time...but obviously I was wrong.
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I know for a fact that people are being driven away by high horses and egotistical behaviour , infact one of my best (internet) friends used to post here on a VERY regular basis but has not visited here for months because of the place it has become.
This procces of change intrigues me. I'm too old to take any of the above statement personally. I'm more interested in the observer's original statement.
But if the person or person's concerned had really cared about the forums & ppl long term it might have been more approriate to post an opinion, get some feedback and been a part of the processes of change, rather than walking off cos it wasn't going to their liking.
If this hadn't been even attempted all I can say is they were only along for the ride, or the stuff that happens here, not just the postings but the process, wasn't really very important to them to begin with
I could be wrong, of course
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I'll get it right this time...
The request I made to limit binge stories was incorrectly communicated as a rule. I apologise for the mistake.
I'll leave it as a request though.
Would ppl please consider possible options, such as rephrasing, or not posting, when pressing the SEND button on a binge post.
The binge topic is currrently under careful and considered review in another thread. I'd be intereted to hear what Torsten, as site owner, has to say on the issue, s its his decision. However the discussion is an interesting process with a range of views being aired and its not so urgent as to require an instantaneous decision.
We may end up with it as a ban, we may not. As long as we have clear and open debate I'm happy.
In the meantime, though, would those of you who are likely to stir the proverbial cooking vessel please refrain from flooding the forum with binge stories while the careful, and ultimately most worthwhile process of respectful debate continues. I'd prefer youse to wait until the issue is settled after discussion rather than hype the market for chaos
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darklight
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Damn....didn't make it home after class last night and in the meatime it's all been said in my absence.
Re. the original request. Yes CS you *are* right and I didn't think when I posted it. If it were merely a request I shouldn't have appended the ban for breaching. The whole thing could been phrased more evenly.
I was trying to convey the idea of necessity, and I ended up communicating an imperative that suggested an unanswerable rule. I should have waited until the request was ignored a couple of times before seeing whether repercussions were required. It could have been a process that took months and it would have been more gentle. Apologies from me on that.
*All* decisions I make here are open to an amount of criticism and revision, not endless futile nitpicking mind, but I would expect and *hope* that their be a fair amount of dissent amidst a diverse community and I welcome the input as I understand I'm not perfect- yet. I have even been known to change my mind
but I only put my foot down after careful consideration and when something is taking too much time to resolve
When exercising caution re editing posts I have to extend my judgement way beyond the consideration of my own thick hide and assume the readership of a lot of ppl I can only imagine. Nervous parents, ten year olds, cops with a grudge or reporters with a deadline... and sometimes my editing may seem a tad fussy given the nature of the forum. I don't *ever* censor or regulate with any intent beyond the survival of the forums.
In this particular instance I had to make a decision. Binge posts are a freedom of speech which could conceivably result in the closing of the forums at a later date, or its demonisation in the press. Such a presentation is usually countered here by varied public denunciations of recklessness which do convey the impression of a balanced and caring community. Whether they countered the original impressions of recklessness sufficiently to alleviate any possible repercussions was the issue is the final question...and in the binge posts issue I decided it didn't. But I made it a rule too early and now its an issue.
It won't be the last time we, like every other community, are faced with the ethical considerations of our actions as a growing and diverse group. So I suggest we get the processes down pat so its easy. There will doubtless be discussions of a similar nature on different issues...this forum has had a long life, given the lifespans of your average net phemomenon ( yes CS I remember the alt.drugs groups too )so its best not to take the prospect of change so personally
Annd CS go easy on SB willya? He's doing a damn fine job and you're making him nervous. Its unfair. He's doing really well, and it looks to me like the thought of doing it less than perfectly horrifies him, which says a lot for his good intentions towards the community. Work with that and youse'll sort it out
All of you ,whether here or in real life, if you reckon someone's blown it, like I did in the original post, don't assume the worst. Ask nicely for clarification, assume the best of intentions and if they do it again... thengo for the throat
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Erk, didn't even get a chance to read all your post CS...what's this, you're sure you're going to risk your posting privileges by opening up the topic for discussion? Sheesh you *are* being paranoid. Why would I suspend you for starting a dialogue?
I really have to go. I'll be back
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Originally posted by Chemical Shaman:I think this "no more binge stories" rule is nothing short of absurd.Fine then let's talk about it shall we. It was put as a request, and therefore open for discussion. Like I've always said, I'll leave my actions open here as transparent as possible right up to the point where I put my foot down. Sheesh love, it makes me equally sick to think you automatically assumed the worst of me and spat the dummy rather than simply putting your case and requesting an extended dialogue.
Every day this place is becoming increasingly restricted
Reckon? I can't be bothered making more rules here than I have to cos then I get to stay up and sort them out. A closer eye needs to be kept on things, as with any other group in the known universe, while the site is actively expanding.
This whole discussion is inevitable, so I can't be bothered taking it personally CS. And its a fair bet this isn't the first forum its happened on either, which is why over the years so many have set up, gone beyond the point of sustainability, and ppl have moved on.
Basically its a question of better judgement. Yes I may be too harsh in some of my decisions, but instead of copping it like a whipped cur and bitching about it afterwards or leaving it until its too late, why the hell don't you approach me like a grownup and assume some sort of civil debate is possible.
I move to vote that the role of moderator be renamed to "thought police" because it certainly feels like the imaginary 1984 that never took place.
*sigh* you are being seriously hysterical here, and you know it.
For stuff's sake, if anyone is appending power to the concept of moderatorship here it's the forum members. If nobody wants to discuss changes in a positive and balanced way, asssuming the worst of the ppl who are here to do a mere administrative job, and when they complain they leave it too late and start yelling that the moderators have all the power....then conngrats, you've just given all the power to the moderators
I'm running late for class, or I'd give you the whupping you deserve CS for assuming the worst of me. More will be typed inn a fit of passion later
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Originally posted by coin:hmm anyone else get this booklet which has been sent to all victorian year 12 students (VCE)? It's called "Stuff"
Lovely. This sort of crap will probably be a collectors item in the future in much the same way that those old anti-pot movies and posters of the 30's are. Hopefully in the future we can look back and laugh
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Nah, I have no problem with hedonism. And I'm not being merciful here SB, how could Schitztrip know he was posting something dodgy when the binging topic hadn't been discussed before?
It's just that this is a public forum. Collective conversation sets a certain tone, and leaves a lasting record. The overall impression I'd prefer to create here is one of careful and considered exploration.
This has been just a part of the forum's evolutionary processes. No doubt it won't be the last, but I'd prefer ppl think before they post stuff rather than me having to wring my hands over censoriousness
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I know it's the Chill Space. I know it's a place for social and relaxed chat. And the general disapproving response from the community here to posted binge stories, even legal ones, indicates that as a community we do not encourage or admire senseless excess.
But please don't post binge epics on this forum anymore you lot. Should you have obtained any perceptible insights from your overindulgence, it is well within the realms of possibility to describe them in a balanced and considered context without seeemingly inciting the newer or less experienced to emulate you.
From today binge stories will be deleted and the author notified. Repeat offenders risk suspension or culling
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And don't even think 'bout gettig mischevious on this one CS
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Civilian casualties anywhere gives me the horrors. The only thing I can't forgive those responsible for this one is sending passenger jets full of ppl crashing into one of the most densely populated civilian areas on the planet. Mexico city, Beijing, Dehli would be equaly fucked.
Military anywhere, fine, they're up for it more often than not. If they didn't work it out before they joined up then they'd have a fair idea soon after. At least they have a culture capable of dealing with it ( at least at the time ).
Can you imagine the triage units in Manhattan? They're the ppl my heart really goes out to. Making instantaneous decisions like who lives and who dies an unassisted and painful death unattended in a corridor would be anaethema to trained healers. Whether or not they are making consistently responsible decisions ( who ultimately among us is so capable? ) they will feel responsible for them nonetheless.
Stock up on morphine and silk stockings ( oh, that was last war ;-) dudes this is going to get weird
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Sweetie that is so tasteless. That sort of naivety belies a serious lack of life experience
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I thought I was gunna be bizarre if I posted this here, but I logged on and youse all got here first. I'm not imagining it
Fucken hell dudes, hang on, this is gunna be a wild one
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Sorry Chemical Shamen didnt mean to get you worked up like that but you now what us chicks are like
Are you kidding? You mean CS has the manual?
*sigh* Women. I am one and I don't understand us either
[This message has been edited by Darklight (edited 11 September 2001).]
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Originally posted by gomaos:I've trained myself not to believe conservative science too much, as they normally just blabberout what law makers have indoctrinated into them.
Do you apply less critical thought to other systems of belief then? The fact tht you have corralled one possible way of emplaining the universe and segragated it as inherently inferior when compared to other belief systems sounds more like prejudice than objectivity
The conservative scientists said it's csrcinogenic, today it's used in the fight against cancer.
Most conservative scientists don't study marijuana. They may have prejudices about pot which hve nothing to do with their scientific work but that's a very different thing.
The message that science ays marijuana is bad comes via the press and the govt, both of which have a wide variety of scientific publications available to them of varying degrees of merit. Some of those publications will inevitably disagree with eaach other, but the tabloid press is hardly going to print a page 3 article which says that the major damage from marijuaa use is to Tim Tams are they?
[bNo proof has been found.[/b]
Proof for anything rarely is. The public suffers from the delusion that a scientific statement is in fact a truth. It is not. A scientific statement represents the result of an empirical, (theoretically ) careful and repeatable set of parameters. These may be disproven at any time.
Unfortunately, like most closed systems including many religions, the only acceptable refutation of a scientific statement is acheived via science. However, unlike many other closed systems, science is ( theoretically )self correcting. You rarely get religions saying Hey Guys We Got It Wrong.
I'm tired of ppl bagging science. I used to have the uncritical belief that science is inherently wrong, but that was prolly cos I hung out in an area full of useless boring hippies ( my prejudice ) who would rather parrot each other than indulge in thorough speculative thought of any kind.
Science is merely one way of explaining the world. It is only as good as the ppl who contribute to it, whether in a functional or social sense. It is capable of recognising its own shortcomings far more readily than most other belief systems and it accepts that there are thing whih have not been sufficiently explained as yet. And without science we would have no Gary Larson cartoons.
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Originally posted by Torsten:
What is the term for when popular perceptions override facts???
Journalism
[This message has been edited by Darklight (edited 07 September 2001).]
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Can testify to the brilliance of milk thistle extract ( whether you get the ETOH based tincture or the H2O one )
Prior to starting on milk thistle I was planning on leaving my liver to science...as a doorstop. Fortunately there are apothecary dispensries in Nimbin and Lismore which supply cheap tinctures in either base. Much cheaper than most other commercial outlets
But remmember to take frequent breaks as with any medication, its easy to get too reliant on it for fixing all your liver problems when really it's a more co-ordinated effort
Personally I've found the absolute worst thing for a stuffed liver is good ole stress. Drugs inlcuding alcohol & caffeine, fatty foods etc may be able to be handled in brief binges, but once stress is added to the equation it tips the balance. Hence I've also found periodic supplemention of amino acids for stress reduction to be of real benefit to liver function as well.
Don't believe those blood based Liver Function Tests 100% though...it takes a helluva lot of liver damage before it shows up on a test. Just cos an LFT comes back OK doesn't mean there isn't definite room for imporvement.
[This message has been edited by Darklight (edited 06 September 2001).]
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Insane!
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Another thing which can assist with the recovery process is to eat sensibly on the ensuing day(s).
Vitamin/ amino acid supplementation reduces damage not only by supplying a source for the neurotransmitters you depleted, but by reducing mental stresses usually associated with comedowns. Mental and emotional stresses take a physical toll too.
If you were...ahem...indulgent the night(s) before its a fair bet you haven't been eating well, if at all. By gently reintroducing food to your system you don't overload the target organs ( gut, liver etc ) with more work than they already have.
When you're ready to eat, choose something light. Fruit is good, apples and pears assist with digestion I believe. 20 minutes or so later, have some toast with a healthy-ish topping such as honey and freshly grated ginger. Accompany it with a glass of lightly warmed water with lemon juice added.
Next meal go easy too. Might want to wait an hour or two. My preference is a miso- based recovery soup ( in an ideal world croissants and bagels would be a health food and miso and tempeh a cardiovscular risk but I make an exception in this case ). The soup can be made straight into a bowl, pouring boiling water onto the other ingredients and let sit til the noodles soften.
Miso recovery soup:
Miso to taste
Cellophane noodles
Grated ginger
Chopped garlic
Sliced mushrooms
Chopped shallots
A bit of dried seaweed ( nori ) cut into thin strips
Any other veggies.
Pour boiling water over the lot and let sit til the noodles soften.
The beauty of this is that it is quickly and simply prepared at a time when you're prolly not feeling like extensive food preparation rituals
Next meal try for smoked salmon something. After this it easy to revert back to your usual food routine.
Important thig to consider.
Avoid heavy, or fatty foods. They place an extra strain on your liver especially. As this is where most of the detoxifiction takes place you want to be as kind to it as possible
Avoid caffeine for as long as you can (sob) as it plays hell with your liver. Warmed water with a dash of lemon juice is a better idea as it helps to flush the kidneys
Don't overeat. It is sometimes tempting to 'stock up' on food once your body realises it hasn't been fed a while, but gutsing hot chips on the way home is mistake and can lead to irritability b/c of liver overload
This may not be suitable for everyone. Some of the food types listed may not suit some ppl ( hi Torsten
Plan ahead or stock up. If you're prone to indulgence make sure you have amino acids and appropriate food items at the ready.
Consider those around you. Share your stuff/ recovery processes with the ppl you went out with the night before. Having calm, happpy ppl around you also reduces yr stress levels, and its * really* boring being the only relaxed person in a room full of tense angstful jittering units
Personally I try to carry a much edited recovery kit whenever I go out. After a while it gets easy to spot the ppl freaking out over nothing but a comedown they should have anticipated. Selective application of precursors etc to them makes your night out easier as well, whether you indulge or not.
Surprisingly many ppl don't ever associate the precursors etc with their sudden
lightening of mood, no matter how often you feed them tryptophan etc. It can get expensive eternally passing out recovery pills to the useless types but its a cost/ benefit analysis when you find yourself stuck with their recurring and frequently uneccessary angst.
Happily a significant ( but not large IMO ) portion of ppl you pass this stuff onto take a real interest in the topic once they experience the physical and mental benefits. Its rarely any use explaining the theory behind this without providing at least a sample of the advantages. Largesse isn't wasted on this lot at all, and you can point them in the direction of further information on the topic knowing they'll go to the trouble of seeking further information to help themselves
It all sounds boring, ritualistic and expensive, particularly after a night out. But once you experience the benefits of carefully planned recovery,and understand the relevance of it to other aspects of your life ( particularly in the longer term ), planning comedowns becomes an integral and easy part of the overall experience. *Much* simpler than angst
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Kratom seed isn't readily available and has a short germination viability so you need to be sure of your seed source and date of collection.
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Thanx for that garret, theo...think he just wants to see if it will grow up here. I don't think he'd be partaking of it or giving it out as a remedy until he'd done further research.
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Watch out when purchasing plants that are labelled as cardomon. Many are 'false' cardamons...no idea what the diff is but I had the cardamon I bought at the Channon markets a few years ago ID'd as a false one. It still bears aromatic seeds occasionally, obviously a close relation. But its 12 foot high
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Arrrghhhh I *knew* this would happen!
Is this the best impersonation of a crazed lunatic by a crazed lunatic I've ever seen? Or did someone slip a drink in my medication?
I sentence you to ten lashes of CS tongue. That'll keep you both busy